Brexit, for once some facts.
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According to my daughter, who is attending professional seminars on virology, perhaps the devil takes care of his own, and evidence is emerging that the AZ vaccine fortuitously does improve with a delayed second jab!. No information on the Pfizer , so BJ comes up smelling of Roses. Who knew?. And the truth is nobody, certainly not BJ.
Yep, and he can sit back and enjoy the reflected glory without risking a thing. It's why he is leader. He, s good at it. If it changes for the worse he stands at side of PV at briefing and hands question over. And then pretends to be coy and deferring. That was a Sage decision he, d say.And poor old PV/CW etc would all nod and say "well yes it was". He does this as a profession. It's called being a politician.
And then in interview afterwards I can already here Gove saying"well, actually Mr Johnson had little input on that decision, I, m not even sure he was at the meeting".
And all would be true.
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This apparently is Johnson and whatsernames new makeover in the rented accomodation, thank goodness they got the stuff cheap on Ebay eh?
I'm not quite sure what this room is used for
I'm not quite sure what this room is used for
Indeed that's exactly what happened with care home deaths, ppe, etc etc. Not. Your fantasy of a slick psychopathic outfit in nr 10 that would make every amoral conservative voter proud is, I'm afraid, a very long way from the truth
It's actually him being a dangerous, lazy, lying political villain, and as for Gove.. that goes double
Contemplating the SNP?This apparently is Johnson and whatsernames new makeover in the rented accomodation, thank goodness they got the stuff cheap on Ebay eh?
I'm not quite sure what this room is used for
Mmm. Perhaps but recognising a politicians abilities does not mean one sees them as qualities... Not recognising Tory MPs abilities is dangerous and probably why they have hardly been out of power in last 50 years.
Seems to me we continually underestimate Tory MPs, write them off as "insert insult" and then wonder how they got in no10.(again?)
The scenario OG and I have been discussing is just such a case. Johnson, and his colleagues, might or might not be all as you described but he, s a talented politician. Knows how to avoid damaging dead ends and then how to develop favour amongst voters. Everything Labour seem incapable of, I, d like to say recently, but it's seems almost forever. I don't really count Blair as anything but Tory,but he could do same... But couldn't maintain it. Starmer will be out manoeuvred at every step.
Its exactly why I asked flecc who he saw as an alternative to Tory. In reality is there one?
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If you can't afford it...This apparently is Johnson and whatsernames new makeover in the rented accomodation, thank goodness they got the stuff cheap on Ebay eh?
I'm not quite sure what this room is used for
The restyled décor is said to have been inspired by celebrated eco interior designer Lulu Lytle. The founder and director of Soane Britain ‘designs and makes British-made furniture, upholstery, lighting, fabrics and wallpaper’ based on ‘traditional crafts including blacksmiths’.
Prince Charles visited her rattan workshop last year just before the pandemic. Miss Lytle’s fabrics start at £100 a metre.
Work on refurbishing the No 11 flat is believed to have been completed in recent months. It went on for more than a year and was disrupted by Covid.
Mr Johnson first expressed concern at the rising cost early last year. He is said to have commented there was ‘no way’ he could pay for it after being informed by the Cabinet Office that the maximum taxpayer contribution was ‘around £30,000’.
https://newsopener.com/uk/boris-johnsons-secret-charity-fund-for-carrie-symonds-no-10-makeover-of-his-private-flat/
I can certainly think of charities I consider more deserving than Johnson's Changing Rooms rehash. A darts board and the Charity Commission's list would probably be a good start.
Companies frequently get the management they deserve. Weve had populist conservative/neoconservative governments - and increasingly catastrophic self inflicted injuries. From destabilising the middle east to the financial crisis to the higher death rate (and economic damage) than practically any other country from the pandemic. While we have the inert deluded electorate we do, not much will change. Other than, off course, the scale of the self inflicted harm that comes with the consecutive conservative governments, which is probably a necessary price to pay for political change.
Not at present. Eventually when the costs of Brexit and Covid come home to roost the populace may accidentally put Starmer and Labour in by voting against the Tories rather than for Labour. For decades many individuals have been voting against rather than for, such is the disillusion with our political parties, while others spoil their voting papers by writing across them "None of the above".
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I have no reply to that. Did electorate get party they deserved or the one they wanted. There wasn't really a choice. That is hardly the electorates fault. I think most voters just thought Tories lesser of two evils. (it certainly wasn't 3) Tories almost won by default and with a massive margin. Says something about Labour.
Well, no offence, but you voted for brexit, and then for boris. There was a choice on each occasion (to remain in the eu, to vote labour). Think for a moment about the immense damage voting the way you have have inflicted. If only over the course of the pandemic. The deaths. The deficit. The tax rises, loss of services, growth for years, decades to come. That's before brexit. clearly none of that has made any difference to your way of thinking, yet - once tax rises and reduced growth and spending bite I imagine that will change.
Pardon... We're you in voting booth with me then? Fair bit of presumption going on here Jonathon. I wouldn't disclose to anyone how I voted on here. Its utterly irrelevant to discussion.
We weren't discussing either of the topics you have raised. We were discussing Johnson and his involvement in delaying second jab.
And, yes, I do take offence. That's like when people say "with all respect but".
What a such strange place. It never fails to amaze. What with Polly, OG, Flecc and now you. Where have I landed?
How did you vote? I, d guess Trump going on your last post.
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not accidentally but logically.
I believe in political cycles. Starmer is the right choice for Labour.
"What a such strange place. It never fails to amaze. What with Polly, OG, Flecc and now you. Where have I landed? "
I agree possibly it was sat nav problems?
Aren't you used to people who have ideas of their own?
You are of course very welcome everyone is free to hold their own individual ideas here.
Logic? we've had enough of logic!
(Gove)
Who knows?
However it's illogical to expect logic with the news media serving continuous Anti logic from the dark side