Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

OG won’t like it. It has to be 100% effective, a cure cancer, and have absolutely nothing to do with the U.K. before he’ll go anywhere near it. The mere fact that the U.K. has placed an order for the JJ vaccine means it’s contaminated with Tory filth and that it’s a Boris Johnson plot to brainwash people into something, but he’s not sure what.

(The caveat to the above is that he will willingly accept an early vaccination for himself, but reserves the right to complain about and undermine the vaccination effort by any means available to him.)

Getting confused again? it would seem so, since the vaccine I accepted was from none UK, it was Pfizer.

And what I don't accept, despite you still trying to lie about my intentions
Is that anyone note: ANYONE should not get the vaccine at the manufactures 4 week interval

And as to my moral attitude, first get your own sorted out, you voted not merely for Brexit, but this circus of clowns who's latest stunt has been to underestimate the efficiency of the vaccination drive, and have it falter on them because they are low on vaccine stocks.

So what have they done?
Blamed the supplier
And the supplier's response?
We are supplying exactly what quantities you ordered delivered when you wanted it

And what does our resident Tory fan boy come out with?

"The mere fact that the U.K. has placed an order for the JJ vaccine means it’s contaminated with Tory filth and that it’s a Boris Johnson plot to brainwash people into something, but he’s not sure what."

Get help, you really need it

 

[oldgroaner]

There are many downsides to Brexit, but the vaccination programme isn’t one of them. The EU has done a poor job in this regard and if the U.K. were still in the EU, we wouldn’t be doing so well vaccinating people.

Sad that it has slowed down to a crawl because the NHS achieved more than the government expected, so we have run out of stocks

 

[Jesus H Christ]

I think we need to be careful that we believe things that BJ says, the head of our approval agency said that as we were still in the transition period we actually used EU rules to approve the Pfizer and AZ vaccines and so Brexit did not make any difference to what we were allowed to do.

It was open to any other country in the EU to do exactly the same thing as we did it would not be against the rules and the EU would not be able to fine them or institute any other kind of punishment.

Now it is difficult to say if we had remained in the EU would we have gone out on our own when it comes to purchasing vaccines, I suspect because we have always been a slightly semi-detached member of the EU, we would have followed a twin track approach. We would have been part of the EU purchasing scheme but we might well have done some separate deals too.

Word is that many of the larger countries in the EU were on the point of doing their own deals and Ursula Von Der Leyen begged them not to go it alone as it could lead to the break up of the EU.

I agree with you though that the EU have not done a great job when it comes to the vaccines and the brexitiers have gained an easy win out of all this. People aren't going to look into the detail of it all they are just going to believe the brexitiers that its only because we have left the EU that we have done so well.

The entire brexit debate was not about detail and nuance it was all about emotion, sound bites and lies, this all works extremely well, just look how well Trump did for years. Almost every day I am hearing of small businesses having massive difficulties trying to come to terms with brexit. Hardly any of this is reported in the brexit supporting news papers.

Great post and a well balanced view.

 

[oyster]

I think we need to be careful that we believe things that BJ says, the head of our approval agency said that as we were still in the transition period we actually used EU rules to approve the Pfizer and AZ vaccines and so Brexit did not make any difference to what we were allowed to do.

It was open to any other country in the EU to do exactly the same thing as we did it would not be against the rules and the EU would not be able to fine them or institute any other kind of punishment.

Now it is difficult to say if we had remained in the EU would we have gone out on our own when it comes to purchasing vaccines, I suspect because we have always been a slightly semi-detached member of the EU, we would have followed a twin track approach. We would have been part of the EU purchasing scheme but we might well have done some separate deals too.

Word is that many of the larger countries in the EU were on the point of doing their own deals and Ursula Von Der Leyen begged them not to go it alone as it could lead to the break up of the EU.

I agree with you though that the EU have not done a great job when it comes to the vaccines and the brexitiers have gained an easy win out of all this. People aren't going to look into the detail of it all they are just going to believe the brexitiers that its only because we have left the EU that we have done so well.

The entire brexit debate was not about detail and nuance it was all about emotion, sound bites and lies, this all works extremely well, just look how well Trump did for years. Almost every day I am hearing of small businesses having massive difficulties trying to come to terms with brexit. Hardly any of this is reported in the brexit supporting news papers.

If Hancock's vaccine obsession was so, so powerful, perhaps it would have been enough to persuade the other health politicians across the EU to push for a vaccine as strongly as he claims to have done?

He could have sent copies of Contagion to all of them?

If the whole EU had thrown its entire resources into vaccine development and distribution, we might ALL have been better off by now.

But this would only have happened if we had not already been in brexit transition.

 

[oldgroaner]

Another graph that urinates on the Tory bonfire

Or would you prefer this?

World beating says it all

 

[Danidl]

I think we need to be careful that we believe things that BJ says, the head of our approval agency said that as we were still in the transition period we actually used EU rules to approve the Pfizer and AZ vaccines and so Brexit did not make any difference to what we were allowed to do.

It was open to any other country in the EU to do exactly the same thing as we did it would not be against the rules and the EU would not be able to fine them or institute any other kind of punishment.

Now it is difficult to say if we had remained in the EU would we have gone out on our own when it comes to purchasing vaccines, I suspect because we have always been a slightly semi-detached member of the EU, we would have followed a twin track approach. We would have been part of the EU purchasing scheme but we might well have done some separate deals too.

Word is that many of the larger countries in the EU were on the point of doing their own deals and Ursula Von Der Leyen begged them not to go it alone as it could lead to the break up of the EU.

I agree with you though that the EU have not done a great job when it comes to the vaccines and the brexitiers have gained an easy win out of all this. People aren't going to look into the detail of it all they are just going to believe the brexitiers that its only because we have left the EU that we have done so well.

The entire brexit debate was not about detail and nuance it was all about emotion, sound bites and lies, this all works extremely well, just look how well Trump did for years. Almost every day I am hearing of small businesses having massive difficulties trying to come to terms with brexit. Hardly any of this is reported in the brexit supporting news papers.

The UK were not in any way bound by EU EMA regulations. That is a smokescreen. Who in the EU were even prepared to police what a country outside the Union was doing with its population? The EU would have cared when it impacted the EU and EU citizens. Without visible policing you don't get compliance. The EU were of course interested in the results of the innoculations

 

[oyster]

The UK were not in any way bound by EU EMA regulations. That is a smokescreen. Who in the EU were even prepared to police what a country outside the Union was doing with its population? The EU would have cared when it impacted the EU and EU citizens. Without visible policing you don't get compliance. The EU were of course interested in the results of the innoculations

Success would tend to temper any "punishment" even had we or anyone else transgressed EU rules - especially if that success was then applied to the rest of the EU.

 

[Danidl]

If Hancock's vaccine obsession was so, so powerful, perhaps it would have been enough to persuade the other health politicians across the EU to push for a vaccine as strongly as he claims to have done?

He could have sent copies of Contagion to all of them?

If the whole EU had thrown its entire resources into vaccine development and distribution, we might ALL have been better off by now.

But this would only have happened if we had not already been in brexit transition.

"If the whole EU had thrown its entire resources into vaccine development and distribution, we might ALL have been better off by now." ..
But it did!. Look at where the Pfizer Vaccine comes from, where it is made,and who funded Biontech. Look at the many other vaccine candidates which were not as successful, and in particular look at the AZ manufacturing pathways and logistics ..and also the personnel involved in the Oxford Jenner Laboratory.

 

[Danidl]

Success would tend to temper any "punishment" even had we or anyone else transgressed EU rules - especially if that success was then applied to the rest of the EU.

Fully agree.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Another graph that urinates on the Tory bonfire

Or would you prefer this?

World beating says it all

Tory bad, Corbyn good.

 

[oyster]

"If the whole EU had thrown its entire resources into vaccine development and distribution, we might ALL have been better off by now." ..
But it did!. Look at where the Pfizer Vaccine comes from, where it is made,and who funded Biontech. Look at the many other vaccine candidates which were not as successful, and in particular look at the AZ manufacturing pathways and logistics ..and also the personnel involved in the Oxford Jenner Laboratory.

The EU did put in resources. The UK put in resources.

But it would have been better still for us to have still been in the EU and fully cooperating at every level.

And put even more resources in.

 

[flecc]

AS a result of having a first vaccine jab I've just had a very long email letter from the NHS which includes the following:

You have been added to the list of people who are clinically extremely vulnerable. We currently advise you to follow shielding measures from the date of this letter until 31 March 2021.

You are advised not to go to the shops.

If you are on a supermarket database or customer list (most people are) they should contact you within a week confirming that you have priority access to book slots.

You are strongly advised not to go to a pharmacy.

Please remember the NHS is open, and we urge you to continue to access all the NHS services you need. It is safer for you to use the NHS than to try to manage alone.

Big Brother is active, but a year too late since I've been shopping thoughout the whole pandemic, including since the jab.

That includes going to two pharmacies.

And the only medical service I've accessed was Private, not NHS, and that includes yesterday.

So I've archived it, as POLLY might say, as 100% bullcrap.
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[oldgroaner]

Tory bad, Corbyn good.

By Jove I think he's finally got it!

 

[oldgroaner]

At 11:20 this morning my wife was due to visit the Consultant regarding further treatment for her cluster headaches.
And so yesterday I received what has now become the standard pre screening call enquiring at length whether or not either of us had been in contact with anyone who could have had the disease, and that we would be temperature tested and given a mask when we arrived at the Hospital.
Half an hour later the Hospital rang back and asked would a telephone consultation be OK as the Doctor has just tested positive for Covid 19!
Naturally I said fine, no problem, and pondered how while it was certainly not good news for him, the timing could not have been better for us!
We had the consultation this morning and obviously I passed on my best wishes for a positive outcome for him and asked could the test be inaccurate?
"I thought of that, had both tests and it was still positive, at the moment I feel no effects, thankfully, see you soon."

 

[oldgroaner]

AS a result of having a first vaccine jab I've just had a very long email letter from the NHS which includes the following:

You have been added to the list of people who are clinically extremely vulnerable. We currently advise you to follow shielding measures from the date of this letter until 31 March 2021.

You are advised not to go to the shops.

If you are on a supermarket database or customer list (most people are) they should contact you within a week confirming that you have priority access to book slots.

You are strongly advised not to go to a pharmacy.

Please remember the NHS is open, and we urge you to continue to access all the NHS services you need. It is safer for you to use the NHS than to try to manage alone.

Big Brother is active, but a year too late since I've been shopping thoughout the whole pandemic, including since the jab.

That includes going to two pharmacies.

And the only medical service I've accessed was Private, not NHS, and that includes yesterday.

So I've archived it, as POLLY might say, as 100% bullcrap.
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And that definitely rules out the local dogging meet I suspect

 

[flecc]

And that definitely rules out the local dogging meet I suspect

There apparently was one at nights on a nearby popular local beauty spot and high viewing point, but I'd only gone there by day. There's also a very upmarket Chinese restaurant there which is used by night of course, and it was a complaint by them about the dogging in the extensive car parking area that alerted the local press which first informed me of the presence.

Several police raids and many arrests followed so I doubt it exists any more.
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[oldgroaner]

There apparently was one at nights on a nearby popular local beauty spot and high viewing point, but I'd only gone there by day. There's also a very upmarket Chinese restaurant there which is used by night of course, and it was a complaint by them about the dogging in the extensive car parking area that alerted the local press which first informed me of the presence.

Several police raids and many arrests followed so I doubt it exists any more.
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They probably moved it to the Police station as there were more of them there anyway

 

[Danidl]

AS a result of having a first vaccine jab I've just had a very long email letter from the NHS which includes the following:

You have been added to the list of people who are clinically extremely vulnerable. We currently advise you to follow shielding measures from the date of this letter until 31 March 2021.

You are advised not to go to the shops.

If you are on a supermarket database or customer list (most people are) they should contact you within a week confirming that you have priority access to book slots.

You are strongly advised not to go to a pharmacy.

Please remember the NHS is open, and we urge you to continue to access all the NHS services you need. It is safer for you to use the NHS than to try to manage alone.

Big Brother is active, but a year too late since I've been shopping thoughout the whole pandemic, including since the jab.

That includes going to two pharmacies.

And the only medical service I've accessed was Private, not NHS, and that includes yesterday.

So I've archived it, as POLLY might say, as 100% bullcrap.
.

I can understand why you are peeved / amused, but in fairness these things do happen ,and your going private probably increases the risk. The advice on the leftlet is actually pretty sound, Pharmacies are a really bad place to be,..you know the people going there tend to carry illnesses ... Who knew?.
But we are in exactly the same quandary here. My son has been under specialist care in a major hospital for decades . So he basically doesn't have a GP There is a nominal practice he is linked with and to whom the hospital sends notes , but they're moved on, and nobody would recognise him. I suspect that these notes are just filed under Rubbish. . But vaccinations will be centred via GPs ,and he will be a priority case.

 

[oyster]

AS a result of having a first vaccine jab I've just had a very long email letter from the NHS which includes the following:

You have been added to the list of people who are clinically extremely vulnerable. We currently advise you to follow shielding measures from the date of this letter until 31 March 2021.

You are advised not to go to the shops.

If you are on a supermarket database or customer list (most people are) they should contact you within a week confirming that you have priority access to book slots.

You are strongly advised not to go to a pharmacy.

Please remember the NHS is open, and we urge you to continue to access all the NHS services you need. It is safer for you to use the NHS than to try to manage alone.

Big Brother is active, but a year too late since I've been shopping thoughout the whole pandemic, including since the jab.

That includes going to two pharmacies.

And the only medical service I've accessed was Private, not NHS, and that includes yesterday.

So I've archived it, as POLLY might say, as 100% bullcrap.
.

A week is a long time if you need some food. Also, no advice (in what you quoted) what to do if you are NOT registered with a supermarket.

 

[flecc]

your going private probably increases the risk.

Not in my case, this was dentistry and both private and NHS treatments are usually carried out by the same dentists to the same standards. In fact NHS dentistry in the UK became a bad joke many years ago with such high NHS charges that many dentists, including mine, stopped doing any NHS work. NHS Band 1, examination, diagnosis, tooth polishing etc = £23.80. Band 2, a filling, tooth removal etc = £65.20. Band 3: crowns, bridges, dentures etc = £282.80.

Band 3 can be much cheaper than private for the most extensive work such as full dentures, but otherwise the bands not much different.

Pharmacies are a really bad place to be,..you know the people going there tend to carry illnesses ...

For me:

Pharmacy 1 used: Only one masked person allowed into shop so waiting on pavement outside commonplace and medical security as high as possible in the circumstances.

Pharmacy 2 used: Large counter in one side of a large supermarket aisle so shoppers and pharmacy patients mingling 14 hours a day. Zero medical security.

So inconsistent enough to be laughable.
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