Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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If I really knew, Yes.

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Nev

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Gamestop currently trading at $140 a share in after hours markets. Earlier today it was trading below $50 I have no idea what is going on but people who have been shorting it could be in a lot of trouble once again.
 

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Boris Johnson told #PMQs today that staying in the European Medicines Agency would have made the UK vaccine rollout "impossible". In fact, Britain was still bound by EMA rules when the Covid vaccination programme began.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-brexit-did-not-speed-up-uk-vaccine-authorisation

Once again an attempt is being made to alter history
Well this time he has a point. The UK rollout would have been a month later.
No OG, the UK were not bound by EMA rules and procedures..in fact the charming lady in the validation committee was delightfully cavalier with the truth at the time. The wesel words were very well chosen, and people listened to what they wanted to hear. What she said was "we did not cut corners, we followed EMA protocols... " . Not exactly the same "as we followed EMA Procedures ".
 

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Here's a good idea Boris might take a fancy to (not)
Japan to pay families £295,000 if relative dies due to Covid vaccine
Great way of encouraging take up of the jab!
Proper support of those found to suffer damage from vaccines is an obvious step. Which should be a permanent part of our system. This should include help for those who suffer but do not die.

The trouble with that seemingly modest and moral proposal is two-fold:
First, proof would be required. Which can be a problem in itself - with medicine and science arguing for decades.
Second, people who have significant needs have those needs regardless the actual cause. You can imagine two otherwise identical cases, one caused by vaccine, the other not. Why should the vaccine-caused case be in a much better place? And what if the evidence flips - for either of them?
 

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Boris Johnson told #PMQs today that staying in the European Medicines Agency would have made the UK vaccine rollout "impossible". In fact, Britain was still bound by EMA rules when the Covid vaccination programme began.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-brexit-did-not-speed-up-uk-vaccine-authorisation

Once again an attempt is being made to alter history
There are many downsides to Brexit, but the vaccination programme isn’t one of them. The EU has done a poor job in this regard and if the U.K. were still in the EU, we wouldn’t be doing so well vaccinating people.
 

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CNBC are reporting that the FDA in America is about to approve the J&J single dose vaccine. They said it has an overall efficacy of 66% and was virtually 100% effective in stopping hospitalizations.

I think these are similar figures to the AZ vaccine, and if I remember correctly the UK have bought quite a lot of this vaccine. I like the idea of just having a single jab, but I think it might be several months before we get hold of significant amounts of it provided our authorities approve it too.
 
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CNBC are reporting that the FDA in America is about to approve the J&J single dose vaccine. They said it has an overall efficacy of 66% and was virtually 100% effective in stopping hospitalizations.

I think these are similar figures to the AZ vaccine, and if I remember correctly the UK have bought quite a lot of this vaccine. I like the idea of just having a single jab, but I think it might be several months before we get hold of significant amounts of it provided our authorities approve it too.
OG won’t like it. It has to be 100% effective, a cure cancer, and have absolutely nothing to do with the U.K. before he’ll go anywhere near it. The mere fact that the U.K. has placed an order for the JJ vaccine means it’s contaminated with Tory filth and that it’s a Boris Johnson plot to brainwash people into something, but he’s not sure what.

(The caveat to the above is that he will willingly accept an early vaccination for himself, but reserves the right to complain about and undermine the vaccination effort by any means available to him.)
 

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There are many downsides to Brexit, but the vaccination programme isn’t one of them. The EU has done a poor job in this regard and if the U.K. were still in the EU, we wouldn’t be doing so well vaccinating people.
I think we need to be careful that we believe things that BJ says, the head of our approval agency said that as we were still in the transition period we actually used EU rules to approve the Pfizer and AZ vaccines and so Brexit did not make any difference to what we were allowed to do.

It was open to any other country in the EU to do exactly the same thing as we did it would not be against the rules and the EU would not be able to fine them or institute any other kind of punishment.

Now it is difficult to say if we had remained in the EU would we have gone out on our own when it comes to purchasing vaccines, I suspect because we have always been a slightly semi-detached member of the EU, we would have followed a twin track approach. We would have been part of the EU purchasing scheme but we might well have done some separate deals too.

Word is that many of the larger countries in the EU were on the point of doing their own deals and Ursula Von Der Leyen begged them not to go it alone as it could lead to the break up of the EU.

I agree with you though that the EU have not done a great job when it comes to the vaccines and the brexitiers have gained an easy win out of all this. People aren't going to look into the detail of it all they are just going to believe the brexitiers that its only because we have left the EU that we have done so well.

The entire brexit debate was not about detail and nuance it was all about emotion, sound bites and lies, this all works extremely well, just look how well Trump did for years. Almost every day I am hearing of small businesses having massive difficulties trying to come to terms with brexit. Hardly any of this is reported in the brexit supporting news papers.
 

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