Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Accepted it is the Express, but if report is true it will not do EU any favours with EU countries struggling on Vaccine front. I wonder what we would be saying if Westminster organised a vaccine centre solely for MPs and Civil servants???
No, we do it on the quiet, remember Boris's Father?
 
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Zlatan, Why the express is even concerned about EU taxpayers is touching, but the ignorance behind that article is astonishing. I want those Eurocrats, whom ,I am paying to be at their jobs, and not having the kerfuffles of two weeks ago re enacted. It is less that I worry for their health, but a lot more I worry about the multiplier effect of botched decision making. When there is a product in short supply, it is not the most needy or the most deserving who should get it, but where it will do the most good for the many. That is why I wanted Front line medical staff, police, and police command and control centres sorted first.
Sorry Danidl, I totally disagree. You are giving MPs and such way more value than their standing deserves. Whilst in short supply vaccine should go to those at most risk of dying. If that happens to be an mp... Fine. If not wait in line. If logistics mean over supply at centres, fine. MPs can roll up after no shows and get vaccine. In mean time they should be setting a good example.
Having a policy to vaccinate MPs (MEPs) first demonstrates amply how EU see themselves. They way all MPs and MEPs have handled covid, they should be last in line.
 

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This is exactly what I've been arguing and why we should have used the Swedish approach which avoided the 400 Billion's we've wasted with a death rate that wasn't any worse then ours, actually a little better.

Covid-19 hasn't been a serious death rate problem with predominantly only those nearing death anyway dying, as the figures show very clearly.
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Zlatan

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No, we do it on the quiet, remember Boris's Father?
Only thing is Stanley Johnson is 80...but I agree it smacked of entitlement. I said as much. Having a government policy to enforce entitlement is terrible.
Imagine folk in Belgium today. They are manufacturing vaccine in millions of doses, most coming to us, and then the few going to EU are going to MEPs... Who organised the fiasco. There will be rioting again on continent at this rate.
 
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Danidl

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BS. If you take 100000 Covid cases from each community, all of similar fitness, age and living standards, more from the BLAME community will die. For some reason, yet to be discovered, the disease tends to have a more severe affect on them.

That’s why they need to make sure they get vaccinated and stop mixing with each other. Not constantly getting distracted with mumbo-jumbo, witchcraft and playing the victim.
Nope!. The circumstances are not the same..and well you know that. I don't doubt you can get 100k obese middle class white Essex dwellers and 100k equally obese inner city BLAMEs , You might also get 100k Etonian care workers and 100k BLAME care workers, but the difference is that the Etonians will hanging around Harley Street.
They are playing the victim , because they also are the victim. I can agree that that they also make stupid choices
 
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Nope!. The circumstances are not the same..and well you know that. I don't doubt you can get 100k obese middle class white Essex dwellers and 100k equally obese inner city BLAMEs , You might also get 100k Etonian care workers and 100k BLAME care workers, but the difference is that the Etonians will hanging around Harley Street.
They are playing the victim , because they also are the victim. I can agree that that they also make stupid choices
Its BAME Danidl. Jesus was being ironic, I think.
 
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Nope!. The circumstances are not the same..and well you know that. I don't doubt you can get 100k obese middle class white Essex dwellers and 100k equally obese inner city BLAMEs , You might also get 100k Etonian care workers and 100k BLAME care workers, but the difference is that the Etonians will hanging around Harley Street.
They are playing the victim , because they also are the victim. I can agree that that they also make stupid choices
A good try, but the majority of it is incorrect. Don’t be put off, check reality and keep working hard. 2/10.
 
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flecc

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There is no point going for JC's program, it was defeated several times, it will be defeated again.
It won when Boris Johnson used it, a bit of rail nationalisation plus the Autumn 2019 big spend on recovery by his chancellor Sajid Javid got widespread acceptance.

It didn't win when JC used it entirely due to the vicious lying attacks on him by the Tory press and Zionist distortionists.
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Sorry Danidl, I totally disagree. You are giving MPs and such way more value than their standing deserves. Whilst in short supply vaccine should go to those at most risk of dying. If that happens to be an mp... Fine. If not wait in line. If logistics mean over supply at centres, fine. MPs can roll up after no shows and get vaccine. In mean time they should be setting a good example.
Having a policy to vaccinate MPs (MEPs) first demonstrates amply how EU see themselves. They way all MPs and MEPs have handled covid, they should be last in line.
You may disagree with our relative priorities, and where in the pecking order MPs or MEPs reside. That is not my point. My overriding point is that the multiplier effect needs to be factored in, and the roles occupied really matter. And people in senior civil service functions matter. Without the ATC control , the freight planes carrying the vaccines cannot arrive, and if that team is in their mid thirties, they still need to be vaccinated before me at my three score and ten. You can say there is a reserve team and pods of non interacting teams separated from each other..as yes there is.
The glitch which happened in Brussels 18 days ago was due to one of these team members in a EU commission team missreading or not being aware of the bigger picture, almost certainly because of these pods. That problem was sorted in hours , because it was noticed. What about the ones not being noticed ?
 

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Let me be the first to proudly announce another high spot for would be spaffers everywhere

"Breaking - Iain Duncan Smith appointed as new thick-as-a-post-Brexit Britain government adviser...he will chair the Taskforce on Innovation, Growth and Regulatory Reform (TIGGR) alongside Theresa Villiers and George Freeman.

How much will this new Coven manage to waste achieving nothing
(And that is being optimistic, if they achieve something we'll really be in trouble , though there won't be any small print this time)
 
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