Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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And why our population were always so adept at arithmetic from very young ages.
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And why our population were always so adept at arithmetic from very young ages.
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Well yes. I was still a child of old money, and roods and perches etc. Land measure was extremely complex.,with the English Mile and the Irish mile ( yes seriously!!, The Irish mile is bigger.) Then still today land on ordnance survey and land deeds is in English Statute Acres , but now translated in European Hectares , but the kicker is it is rented out in Irish Acres
 
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Well yes. I was still a child of old money, and roods and perches etc. Land measure was extremely complex.,with the English Mile and the Irish mile ( yes seriously!!, The Irish mile is bigger.) Then still today land on ordnance survey and land deeds is in English Statute Acres , but now translated in European Hectares , but the kicker is it is rented out in Irish Acres
Apparently they was a Welsh mile as well - though a long time ago. Around 1470 yards.
 
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I always wondered why it took much loner to drive anywhere in Scotland!
Perhaps the old unit values offer a clue?

English & USA mile:
5280 feet. 1760 yards. 8 furlongs. 80 chains.

Scottish mile:
5952 feet. 1984 yards. Old measure.

But the Irish go one better
Irish mile:
6720 feet. 2240 yards. Old measure. Beware when told that an Irish distance is "a mile and a bit." The bit may be longer than the mile!

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I always wondered why it took much loner to drive anywhere in Scotland!
Perhaps the old unit values offer a clue?

English & USA mile:
5280 feet. 1760 yards. 8 furlongs. 80 chains.

Scottish mile:
5952 feet. 1984 yards. Old measure.

But the Irish go one better
Irish mile:
6720 feet. 2240 yards. Old measure. Beware when told that an Irish distance is "a mile and a bit." The bit may be longer than the mile!

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And the odd multipliers sometimes used - an ell being 3 and a twelfth feet. (In Edinburgh. 45 inches in England.)

But, even now, we continue with awkwardnesses. Like plasterboard being 2400 long - to finish walls of, more or less, standard height. Whereas timber sheeting is often 2440 long... Being a fairly exact conversion of eight feet.
 

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Voters like me?? What big and ugly? And how pray may I ask will you avoid the corrective training? Moving to your spot abroad??
No again. Voters like you who are in elective denial (of their own choices, values and their consequences). Its a bit like a conversation with a rehabilitating heroin addict on methadone telling one that the catastrophic mess they find themselves in has nothing to do with them. That one should provide them with a rescue plan (and ideally one that doesnt involve pain). Tory voters who voted for brexit, boris brought us to this unenviable place where it's a choice between boris and an increasingly desperate establishment starmer without real answers.
 
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No again. Voters like you who are in elective denial (of their own choices, values and their consequences). Its a bit like a conversation with a rehabilitating heroin addict on methadone telling one that the catastrophic mess they find themselves in has nothing to do with them. That one should provide them with a rescue plan (and ideally one that doesnt involve pain). Tory voters who voted for brexit, boris brought us to this unenviable place where it's a choice between boris and an increasingly desperate establishment starmer without real answers.
Ken Dodd explained the syndrome like this
"I suffer from Kleptomania
when it gets too bad
I take something for it!"

Perfect Tory logic
 

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I'm early 60s and so unlikely to get the vaccine for a while. I am picking up on several forums, word of mouth and news sites that the AZ vaccine is more likely to produce side effects (headache nausea etc.) than the Pfizer. As many of you have now had the vaccine, did any of you have many side effects, and if so which vaccine did you have.

I would prefer to get the Pfizer vaccine but when offered I will accept what ever they have available. I have also read that if you do get some side effects like mentioned above it's a good sign because it shows the vaccine is working, does anyone know if that is correct?
 
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I'm early 60s and so unlikely to get the vaccine for a while. I am picking up on several forums, word of mouth and news sites that the AZ vaccine is more likely to produce side effects (headache nausea etc.) than the Pfizer. As many of you have now had the vaccine, did any of you have many side effects, and if so which vaccine did you have.

I would prefer to get the Pfizer vaccine but when offered I will accept what ever they have available. I have also read that if you do get some side effects like mentioned above it's a good sign because it shows the vaccine is working, does anyone know if that is correct?
I've seen a poll of reactions. It is a confusing picture. AZ, Pfizer, Sinopharm, Moderna - though mostly AZ.

Reactions vary from almost nothing, through a couple of days or so of more or less expected side effects, to feeling really ill to the point of calling doctors, etc.

On the basis that many of us could have had very slight exposure (e.g. to "dead" virus particles) or even had Covid-19 but been near symptomless, I'd really hesitate before ascribing severity of reaction to how much of an immune response it will, in time, engender.

At present, think I'll regard it as an urban myth - which could have a germ of truth yet to be found.

I'd guess about 16% have noteworthy issues - beyond what they expected from the patient information.
 
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I'm early 60s and so unlikely to get the vaccine for a while. I am picking up on several forums, word of mouth and news sites that the AZ vaccine is more likely to produce side effects (headache nausea etc.) than the Pfizer. As many of you have now had the vaccine, did any of you have many side effects, and if so which vaccine did you have.

I would prefer to get the Pfizer vaccine but when offered I will accept what ever they have available. I have also read that if you do get some side effects like mentioned above it's a good sign because it shows the vaccine is working, does anyone know if that is correct?
I heard exactly the same as you. Any side effects are better than being in an iron lung though.
 

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I'm early 60s and so unlikely to get the vaccine for a while. I am picking up on several forums, word of mouth and news sites that the AZ vaccine is more likely to produce side effects (headache nausea etc.) than the Pfizer. As many of you have now had the vaccine, did any of you have many side effects, and if so which vaccine did you have.

I would prefer to get the Pfizer vaccine but when offered I will accept what ever they have available. I have also read that if you do get some side effects like mentioned above it's a good sign because it shows the vaccine is working, does anyone know if that is correct?
I've been informally garnering information on this in my area and have found as above, AZ more likely to result in some side effects that are mildly unpleasant or annoying over a day or two, but not enough to be real problem or any bother.

I've only come across one reaction to the Pfizer other than the common slightly sore injection site, on a lady who is our organisation's treasurer. She has a dormant cancer form which can flare up and cause pain, and the Pfizer jab she had at St Thomas's hospital did cause that, making her ill for three days.

As an aside, St Thomas's is the hospital on the Thames south bank opposite the Houses of Parliament. She and her husband were two of many sent a distance to there to use the huge surplus of Pfizer they had, a distribution issue. Of course that Westminster area has almost no over 80s and few over 70s actually resident, so while the rest of the country were furiously at work piercing arms, the staff at St Thomas's had apparently been twiddling their thumbs through those two age bands of the program.
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flecc

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I heard exactly the same as you.
An off-subject aside on an issue of known interest to you:

Black Crystal Palace footballer Wilfried Zaha has announced he will no longer take the knee, saying that in future he will stand tall and proud to be black.

Black ex footballer and commentator John Barnes MBE has said in response that if still playing, he would do the same.

Both have said taking the knee has highlighted the issue but is no longer achieving any progress.
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No again. Voters like you who are in elective denial (of their own choices, values and their consequences). Its a bit like a conversation with a rehabilitating heroin addict on methadone telling one that the catastrophic mess they find themselves in has nothing to do with them. That one should provide them with a rescue plan (and ideally one that doesnt involve pain). Tory voters who voted for brexit, boris brought us to this unenviable place where it's a choice between boris and an increasingly desperate establishment starmer without real answers.
When did I say anything had not got anything to do with my voting to leave?? (I, ve not discussed Brexit on here or elsewhere for months?)
Amazing how you know more about me than I do. And exactly what am I denying??
As usual your attitude is aggressive and confrontational. Perhaps it's you feeling guilty about something.
Voters like me, what about pillocks like you?
 

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So they are guilty...

Reuters UK government broke the law by failing to disclose PPE contracts, court rules
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LONDON, Feb 19 (Reuters) - The British government broke the law by failing to publish details of billions of pounds of spending on personal protective equipment during the coronavirus pandemic, a London court ruled on Friday.

As COVID-19 swept across the world last year, Britain scrambled to secure protective gear for medics and nurses on the front line.

The Good Law Project, a campaign group, and three opposition politicians brought a judicial review seeking details of undisclosed deals with firms that had no medical procurement expertise and, in some cases, delivered defective protective equipment.

A judge at a London High Court said the Secretary of State for Health, Matt Hancock, failed to comply with a public procurement law that requires the government to publish contract awards within 30 days.

"The Secretary of State spent vast quantities of public money on pandemic-related procurements during 2020," the judge said. "The public were entitled to see who this money was going to, what it was being spent on and how the relevant contracts were awarded."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-government-broke-the-law-by-failing-to-disclose-ppe-contracts-court-rules/ar-BB1dPDrs
 
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