Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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You initiated it again. The Tory fan boy comment.. Not necessary at all. Then when I say something you claim injury, foul, unfair.. Like I, ve said before. Hypocrite.
Well done, you just admitted to being a Tory fan boy, otherwise why would you be upset by such a comment? :D
 

Jesus H Christ

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Why are the BLAME community now whinging about the vaccine? They are looking for something or someone to BLAME for poor uptake.

It’s a simple decision. For some reason, probably genetics, a member of the BLAME community is likely to have a worse outcome if they catch coronavirus. They need telling straight, stop listening to prehistoric mumbo-jumbo. This is 2021, get vaccinated.
 

oldgroaner

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Good news from the World Health Organisation (WHO). They are endorsing the AZ vaccine for use in all countries across all age groups. They go further and say the extended gab between vaccination doses makes the vaccine more effective.

The WHO must be those Tory Fan Boys we keep hearing about.
It would appear so, wouldn't it? :D
 

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Good news from the World Health Organisation (WHO). They are endorsing the AZ vaccine for use in all countries across all age groups. They go further and say the extended gab between vaccination doses makes the vaccine more effective.

The WHO must be those Tory Fan Boys we keep hearing about.
Reference please...
 

oldgroaner

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As usual we are a world beater

At least we are being told we are and some believe it too!
 

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As usual we are a world beater

At least we are being told we are and some believe it too!
It seems the idea of longer gap between jabs now is 'official', so let's look at the more important statistics of vaccinations overall.
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I've included almost all the countries that came above England in your chart, and included UK rather than England as that is the information that site gives. Here is the top of the list from all countries sorted on total vaccinations per 100
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p.s. most certainly NOT a Tory fanboy.
 
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flecc

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A bit meaningless as a world table when it doesn't include China, Russia, USA, ...

I know it declares its limits.
Or the UK !

Like me they know the UK isn't a country, so report England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland as the countries they are.
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oldgroaner

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Not happy bunnies according to a poll in the Excess
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Express.co.uk conducted an exclusive poll asking readers if they thought the Prime Minister should scrap the deal in light of the bloc's brazen move.

Asked if they would like to see Mr Johnson tear up the deal and renegotiate post-Brexit trade rules with the EU, 81 percent (6,106) of respondents said yes.

Only 17 percent (1,261) said they would like to see Britain stick with the current deal.

As usual there were comic responses
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Another said: "Just scrap the deal for WTO."

Another person said the price of entering into a trade agreement with the bloc was simply too high.

They said: "Actually i think we should bin the whole Brexit deal and move immediately to WTO terms and only deal with the EU on WTO terms for as long as they survive."

You have to wonder how long the WTO is going to survive! :D
 

sjpt

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It seems the idea of longer gap between jabs now is 'official', so let's look at the more important statistics of vaccinations overall.
View attachment 40707

I've included almost all the countries that came above England in your chart, and included UK rather than England as that is the information that site gives. Here is the top of the list from all countries sorted on total vaccinations per 100
View attachment 40708

p.s. most certainly NOT a Tory fanboy.
This includes China, USA and Russia. Also Israel. I'm not quite sure why Israel did not show up as top in my table above.

reran the sort table and it did come out with Israel at the top. Not sure what I did wrong the fist time ...
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Danidl

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Or the UK !

Like me they know the UK isn't a country, so report England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland as the countries they are.
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Actually they have given both the UK and its component countries. Also note that they only quote those Figures where the 2 doses have been administered in accordance with manufacturers guidelines.
 
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Danidl

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Actually they have given both the UK and its component countries. Also note that they only quote those Figures where the 2 doses have been administered in accordance with manufacturers guidelines.
..I was referring to the histogram not the time graphic
 

oldgroaner

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That includes this statement:

Spacing out the two doses, as is happening in the UK, makes the vaccine more effective, it advises.

But does not justify and explain fully.
The WHO has published this
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DRAFT prepared by the SAGE Working Group on COVID-19 vaccines
10 February 2021
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Background document for the Extraordinary meeting of the Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on
Immunization (SAGE) – 08 February 2021
Pre-clinical studies
Note: The following information is derived from scientific publications. Those publications used the term “ChAdOx1-S (recombinant)” which is equivalent to AZD1222.
The efficacy of ChAdOx1-S (recombinant) was assessed in rhesus macaques. Six animals per group were vaccinated using a prime-only regimen (28 days before challenge) or a prime–boost regimen (56 and 28 days before challenge) intramuscularly with 2.5 × 1010 ChAdOx1-S (recombinant) virus particles each. As a control, six animals were vaccinated via the same route with the same dose of ChAdOx1-S (recombinant) green fluorescent protein (GFP) (one animal was vaccinated 56 and 28 days before challenge and five animals were vaccinated 28 days before challenge). No adverse events were observed after vaccination. Spike-specific antibodies were present as early as 14 days after vaccination and were significantly increased after the second immunization (two-tailed signed-rank Wilcoxon test). Endpoint IgG titres of 400–6,400 (prime) and 400–19,200 (prime–boost) were measured on the day of challenge. Virus-specific neutralizing antibodies were also significantly increased after secondary immunization (two-tailed signed-rank Wilcoxon test) and detectable in all vaccinated animals before challenge (5–40 (prime) and 10–160 (prime–boost)), whereas no virus-specific neutralizing antibodies were detected in control animals. IgM antibodies were present in the serum after vaccination on the day of the challenge in six out of six prime–boost and two out of six prime-only animals SARS-CoV-2 spike-specific T cell responses were detected on the day of challenge by IFNγ ELISpot assay after the stimulation of peripheral blood mononuclear cells with a peptide library that spanned the full length of the spike protein. No statistically significant difference in the magnitude of the response was found between the prime–boost and prime-only group (Mann–Whitney U-test, P = 0.3723). As previously reported6, vaccination with ChAdOx1-S (recombinant) resulted in the induction of neutralizing antibodies against the vaccine vector itself within 28 days of vaccination. Nonetheless, a boost vaccination with ChAdOx1-S (recombinant) resulted in a significant increase in binding and neutralizing antibodies in NHPs and an increase in the SARS-CoV-2 virus-neutralizing titre was not significantly correlated with the ChAdOx1-S (recombinant) virus-neutralizing titre (two-tailed Pearson correlation, r2 = 0.6493 P = 0.0529).
A post-vaccination SARS-CoV-2 challenge in rhesus macaques was conducted to evaluate protection and the potential for vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD)[2]. Clinical disease score in monkeys was reduced, and the vaccine prevented damage to the lungs. A prime-boost regimen induced humoral immune responses. Viral loads were reduced in the lungs, but there was no reduction in viral shedding from the nose with either prime-only or prime-boost regimens. These suggest that ChAdOx1-S (recombinant) may not prevent infection nor transmission of SARS-CoV-2, but it may reduce illness. The immune responses were not skewed towards a Th2-type and there was no suggestion of enhanced disease following vaccination. Whilst a single dose induced antigen-specific antibody and T cells responses, a booster immunisation enhanced antibody
 
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