Yes but what happens if we leave without a deal? What effect would that have on our country?I don't know how long it will take and I don't know what the options are if it goes beyond 2 years.
We could leave next month.
KudosDave
Yes but what happens if we leave without a deal? What effect would that have on our country?I don't know how long it will take and I don't know what the options are if it goes beyond 2 years.
We could leave next month.
No you weren't talking about a specific car brand, and neither was I.Other makes are available?
I like German cars, I've driven them for years and they are very good. The servicing and support is bordering on criminal, but that is another story.
I will not be paying an import premium, if that happens. I don't know if other customers will be foolish enough to pay it, but I won't, so I will not be affected. So we do have some leverage.
Well that's a personal choice which we will all be required to make, IF that is the route negotiations take. My personal choice will be to buy products free from import duty.Got to be honest ,I have always bought German Cars....the import premium would not stop me buying...my current Audi is the best all round car I have ever owned.
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How are you going to buy product free from import duty?Well that's a personal choice which we will all be required to make, IF that is the route negotiations take. My personal choice will be to buy products free from import duty.
That is impossible to predict with any degree of accuracy. We can guess, but expert guessing has so far proved hopelessly inaccurate.Yes but what happens if we leave without a deal? What effect would that have on our country?
KudosDave
The UK will be free to trade with other countries on terms yet to be negotiated. Those terms may well include free trade.How are you going to buy product free from import duty?
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Tillson....you sound like you have swallowed a Theresa May pill and cant give a straight answer....assuming we break from the EU next week and do what the Brexiters want a hard break, how are you going to buy a product that is remote from import duty....not 2 years time,situation as now ????That is impossible to predict with any degree of accuracy. We can guess, but expert guessing has so far proved hopelessly inaccurate.
The UK is a significant customer of and contributor to the EU. I think that provides us with a negotiating position.No you weren't talking about a specific car brand, and neither was I.
We're talking about our future relationship with the EU single market (to sell to it, and to buy from it) and you're saying we hold cards... like if we were buying a car from a dealership. So the EU has to listen to us.
This is false logic, and if you think we hold the cards, you're wrong I'm afraid.
Just imagine the EU say's no, so we default to a WTO deal with the EU and everyone else (because we'll loose the deals that are in place via the EU we have with everyone else).
The EU will loose one country from the list it trades with, that's it. Just one. We'll loose our relationship with the rest of the planet, meaning our exports aren't competitive anymore, because they'll be subject to WTO rules until new deals can be negotiated (10 years at experts guesses) and imports will be super expensive because of logistics, falling currency etc etc.
Basically we have no cards on trade. We're a small market compared to the rest of EU as a whole, which we'll suddenly be competing with, not part of.
If you are talking about predictions by economists, most of them have not changed their opinion.That is impossible to predict with any degree of accuracy. We can guess, but expert guessing has so far proved hopelessly inaccurate.
So you think,The UK will be free to trade with other countries on terms yet to be negotiated. Those terms may well include free trade.
Free trade deals take forever to negotiate....sorry to press you on this but where are you going to buy product that is import duty free today???The UK will be free to trade with other countries on terms yet to be negotiated. Those terms may well include free trade.
...That is impossible to predict with any degree of accuracy. We can guess, but expert guessing has so far proved hopelessly inaccurate.
I can't disagree with you because I am not in possession of sufficient information to construct a counter argument. I would simply be speculating, in much the same way that you have speculated in the above post.So you think,
a) that we don't already trade with other countries?
b) that we'll be able to get a better deal?
bearing in mind the EU is a much bigger more attractive market (even without the UK) than the UK is, and also that we don't have anyone to negotiate deals with the rest of the planet let alone the deal we're about to have to do with the EU.
and
c) you think a free trade deal with someone like China, India etc etc is going to come without strings attached, even bigger strings than the ones we have with the EU.
Plus if we do a free trade deal with someone the EU doesn't already have a similar deal with, it'll kill chances of a deal with the EU, because we'll just be a gateway otherwise.
Also the EU has to give us a bad deal, so others don't want to follow us.
We'll be made an example of.
I'm not speculating Tilson! It just appears you're debating something you now even admit you don't know about.I can't disagree with you because I am not in possession of sufficient information to construct a counter argument. I would simply be speculating, in much the same way that you have speculated in the above post.
Today? The EU of course.Free trade deals take forever to negotiate....sorry to press you on this but where are you going to buy product that is import duty free today???
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That I completely disagree with....I honestly think that this government dont care a damn or have a clue what economic state Brexit brings to our country,Theresa May and Co are only interested in staying in power as the most right wing government,control of our laws and most important control of immigration...Rees-Mogg,Bone,Redwood are about as racist as its possible to be,throw backs to the days of the empire and the Raj....
Of course the UK government wouldn't be risking the economic future of the nation without solid numbers which have convinced them of the better future leaving will bring. No estimates or guesses, they know that this is the right thing to do and Britain's businesses will be stronger and richer as a result!
Actually No.....because the EU is subject to import duties on everything that it brings in from countries that it doesn't have free trade agreements with,which are very few.Today? The EU of course.
In two years time? That can't be answered.
I'm afraid that you are speculating as to what will happen during and a result of the BREXIT negotiations. To speculate, to form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.I'm not speculating Tilson! It just appears you're debating something you now even admit you don't know about.
I have thought about this this point a lot, because currently all our KTM dealers essentially import from the EU direct to their stores.Actually No.....because the EU is subject to import duties on everything that it brings in from countries that it doesn't have free trade agreements with,which are very few.
There is a real practical problem that nobody has mentioned. I ship goods to every EU country,if it is to a private customer I charge the vat.
But if it is to a fellow trader,I dont charge vat,as long as the trader has a valid vat number,it is as easy as sending a package in the UK.
But if we break from the EU,I will have to produce invoice documents to be held by the courier,the goods will not be released to the trader until customs have ensured that any vat or duty has been satisfied....this is the same as we ship to say USA or Australia. The extra workload for customs staff both in the UK and EU will be enormous,the disruption considerable.....will the EU and UK be ready for all this work.
KudosDave
You missed the point again!! I wasn't speculating... I asked you questions.I'm afraid that you are speculating as to what will happen during and a result of the BREXIT negotiations. To speculate, to form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.
My original point was that none of us are privy to the Government's negotiating position and that it is a correct stance by government not to disclose it. So like you, I don't know anything about how the negotiations will unfold.
Thank you for the kind offer of your book. I will decline on this occaision.