Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

On a bike parts ecommerce site in the Netherlands

Global Britain?
With this Government?
It has replaced Tariffs with this Mares Nest?

 

[Woosh]

if you can not isolate a virus how can you make a cure to it as never been done b4 why now in over 90 years since it was first discovered in the 1930s

it's the same way DNA is forensically collected, under microscope from the lungs' membrane of the deceased.
The samples are purified, sequenced and its genome uploaded into several databases.
There are about 50,000 complete genomes of SARS-COV2 in the database.
The one of concern to us is named ‘VUI – 202012/01’

 

[Woosh]

why does the flu jab formula change every year because it mutates yet this magic cure can also deal with this is bs they have no data or proof of anything.

the current flu jab is based on de-activated whole viruses. So when the virus mutates, our immune system may not recognise the new mutated form.
The new vaccine is based on a common section of the covid viruses genomes. It's like antibiotics, it attacks the mechanism of reproduction of any pathogen containing the same fingerprint.

 

[Woosh]

there end game is total control same as china over the population they do not give a crap about anyone's life just look at the benefits system the dwp kill 50k per year and that's fine.

the root problem is our NHS is under resourced. We have a lot fewer ICU beds than Germany for example, so we have to go for lockdown.
This problem is compounded by stupid tory politicians who go for short term economic lower cost against NHS floundering under the number of Covid patients.

 

[oyster]

From the man who famously sank Northern Rock like a lead balloon

Has anyone a definitions as to what this Britain is? is it animal, vegetable, mineral, or some fat cat Tory?
In a country where Engineers are treated so badly and their ideas squandered or watered down, this is simply pitiful
"Unleash the British Tiger?" what happened to the British Lion then?
Or more recently Jackass? the man who stated that any business that is going under, like a bank for instance, can't stand the heat of the competition so should be allowed to fail. then he had to go cap in hand when his bank failed.

Spaff him a few Millions Boris and a peerage cut price as usual, he's your kind after all

Odd to blame Dyson leaving on electricity prices.

(Retail electicity prices in Singapore appear to be aroud 12p per kW-h, ours about 14p. Not that big a difference.)

 

[oyster]

On a bike parts ecommerce site in the Netherlands

Global Britain?
With this Government?
It has replaced Tariffs with this Mares Nest?

A few years ago, selling downloadable products (e.g. designs) on eBay was easy enough for very small "hobby" traders. And very similar to selling small amounts of physical products.

Then there was an EU-wide move to change VAT handling. The situation was that someone in the UK would claim to be below the UK VAT threshold and simply sell online without VAT. Of course, you couldn't claim back any VAT on inputs. But that was OK because a) there were few inputs when you make your own designs; b) the volume of trade was so small in the first place.

But for downloads, they had to charge the VAT in the country they were supplying. And most EU countries do not have anything like the same VAT threshold arrangement that the UK has. Sell a design to someone in, for example, France, you need to charge French VAT. Which also meant: register for French VAT, submit French VAT returns, remit any French VAT collected, read all the French VAT notices to make sure you remained legal, etc. Repeat for each and every EU country you sell into.

(I'd have to re-check but at the time this came in, many EU countries actually had a zero threshold.)

It is, quite obviously, an impossibility for someone doing this as a hobby to conform to these requirements. The only way of selling across the EU was through a company that would shield you from that - which Etsy do.

(These rules apply if you allow the buyer to download themselves. But not if you send a PDF - or other file - to them via email. Bizarre, I call it. Folksy avoid it by not providing a digital download service.)

I'd call this a non-tariff barrier. Which should never have been set up. But we, the UK, accepted it.)

 

[flecc]

Some great unbiased articles. paid for by the usual suspects?
I suggest you look at the bios of the contributors, all right wingers and Boris sycophants.....all there if you check

Snag is though OG, these figures show we have enough people to last nearly a 100 years without population decline:

"There were 517,148 deaths registered in England and 33,469 in Wales during the first 11 months (January to November) of 2020."

What that shows is that the deaths are almost entirely of the elderly, which is normal, so Soundwave has a point. I do think the scare stories about Covid now killing younger people are just that, scare stories and completely untrue, being used to try to get mask and distancing compliance among the young.

It's very likely that all Covid-19 is actually doing to deaths is slightly shortening the lives of people already severely compromised by advanced age and/or health pre-conditions.
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[Woosh]

I do think the scare stories about Covid now killing younger people are just that, scare stories and completely untrue, being used to try to get mask and distancing compliance among the young.

you underestimate the potential damage of long covid.

 

[oyster]

you underestimate the potential damage of long covid.

Agreed. The rate of Long Covid could be frighteningly high.

Whilst some dismiss it - saying things like we have always have post-viral issues - I am repeatedly reminded of Awakenings.

Indeed, some who seem to dismiss it go on to explain that people have forever been going to their doctors with a variety of symptoms and claiming they started after some viral illness or other. Then admitting the GPs usually have not the slightest idea what to do and ending up largely ignoring them. Yet still saying Long Covid is not much of an issue. Many suggest the ME/CFS diagnoses re post-viral issues - and people can be rendered bed-bound for years.

 

[Woosh]

A few years ago, selling downloadable products (e.g. designs) on eBay was easy enough for very small "hobby" traders. And very similar to selling small amounts of physical products.

Then there was an EU-wide move to change VAT handling. The situation was that someone in the UK would claim to be below the UK VAT threshold and simply sell online without VAT. Of course, you couldn't claim back any VAT on inputs. But that was OK because a) there were few inputs when you make your own designs; b) the volume of trade was so small in the first place.

But for downloads, they had to charge the VAT in the country they were supplying. And most EU countries do not have anything like the same VAT threshold arrangement that the UK has. Sell a design to someone in, for example, France, you need to charge French VAT. Which also meant: register for French VAT, submit French VAT returns, remit any French VAT collected, read all the French VAT notices to make sure you remained legal, etc. Repeat for each and every EU country you sell into.

(I'd have to re-check but at the time this came in, many EU countries actually had a zero threshold.)

It is, quite obviously, an impossibility for someone doing this as a hobby to conform to these requirements. The only way of selling across the EU was through a company that would shield you from that - which Etsy do.

(These rules apply if you allow the buyer to download themselves. But not if you send a PDF - or other file - to them via email. Bizarre, I call it. Folksy avoid it by not providing a digital download service.)

I'd call this a non-tariff barrier. Which should never have been set up. But we, the UK, accepted it.)

I appreciate that collecting small VAT amounts is a chore.
By making ebay/amazon/etsy etc to collect the VAT, their sellers still don't have to do any work, it's done by ebay/amazon and the government collects a large cheque.
The new system is fairer in my view. It should have been done long time ago.

 

[oyster]

Snag is though OG, these figures show we have enough people to last nearly a 100 years without population decline:

"There were 517,148 deaths registered in England and 33,469 in Wales during the first 11 months (January to November) of 2020."

What that shows is that the deaths are almost entirely of the elderly, which is normal, so Soundwave has a point. I do think the scare stories about Covid now killing younger people are just that, scare stories and completely untrue, being used to try to get mask and distancing compliance among the young.

It's very likely that all Covid-19 is actually doing to deaths is slightly shortening the lives of people already severely compromised by advanced age and/or health pre-conditions.
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If our treatment of those with Covid-10 has improved to the extent that few die who do not have significant factors such as age and obesity working against them, that is a good thing. But the patient-days in hospital could be huge in order to achieve that. So many of us have got used to hospitals being very largely short term - only a night, or a few days, even for some pretty hefty issues - spending weeks or months is simply not what is expected for most patients.

 

[oyster]

I appreciate that collecting small VAT amounts is a chore.
By making ebay/amazon/etsy etc to collect the VAT, their sellers still don't have to do any work, it's done by ebay/amazon and the government collects a large cheque.
The new system is fairer in my view. It should have been done long time ago.

In many ways I agree.

But what is really bad is that they have not properly explained ahead of time what was going to happen. Some of the official documents say VAT will be collected on ordering, but completely fail to explain what will happen re overseas sellers. E.g. Aliexpress.

 

[flecc]

you underestimate the potential damage of long covid.

As you say, potential, so I can't under or over estimate it yet. Time will tell.
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[Zlatan]

Snag is though OG, these figures show we have enough people to last nearly a 100 years without population decline:

"There were 517,148 deaths registered in England and 33,469 in Wales during the first 11 months (January to November) of 2020."

What that shows is that the deaths are almost entirely of the elderly, which is normal, so Soundwave has a point. I do think the scare stories about Covid now killing younger people are just that, scare stories and completely untrue, being used to try to get mask and distancing compliance among the young.

It's very likely that all Covid-19 is actually doing to deaths is slightly shortening the lives of people already severely compromised by advanced age and/or health pre-conditions.
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Its a bit mis leading to say that because average age of those dying won't affect expected age we generally die at.
Yep, average age of those dying to Covid is 82, but in 5 years time it's quite likely many of those in their 80s would have made 90plus. Those older folk aren't there to hold average age of death up. It's likely we will see a reduction in average mortality age when pandemic is over! But not during it..
Look at it this way, assume everybody over 80 died today. That would actually push up death age this year... But what of next... It would reduce it.
I suspect life expectancy will go down in years to come but not during pandemic..?? Which seems counter intuitive...???

 

[Zlatan]

BTW OG I do sort of agree UnHerd is biased. Point I was making is that many articles in it aren't.. (They have 30 plus contributors) The general concensus is that post Covid UK will recover faster than EU.. (OECD saying same). Because UnHerd reported it, with an explanation, doesn't mean the message is any less feasible.
I don't think even you would argue OECD is bias...? Suppose it depends what they are saying..?

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Snag is though OG, these figures show we have enough people to last nearly a 100 years without population decline:

"There were 517,148 deaths registered in England and 33,469 in Wales during the first 11 months (January to November) of 2020."

What that shows is that the deaths are almost entirely of the elderly, which is normal, so Soundwave has a point. I do think the scare stories about Covid now killing younger people are just that, scare stories and completely untrue, being used to try to get mask and distancing compliance among the young.

It's very likely that all Covid-19 is actually doing to deaths is slightly shortening the lives of people already severely compromised by advanced age and/or health pre-conditions.
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But it's not a numbers game. it's a rapidly progressing severe illness frequently requiring ITU treatment. Unless the government passes new legislation stating we should leave those dying from covid without care (which would be popular on tory backbenches but probably cost the next election) one is looking at a health service paralyzed for years by covid cases if one simply let it rip. Which would cost many more collateral death (and require us to consider just how narcissistic weve become).

 

[flecc]

Yep, average age of those dying to Covid is 82, but in 5 years time it's quite likely many of those in their 80s would have made 90plus. Those older folk aren't there to hold average age of death up. It's likely we will see a reduction in average mortality age when pandemic is over! But not during it..

But that isn't important, I had my philosophy on life and death completely sorted 64 years ago. Life has no fixed span, every life lived is a complete life. Everything prior and post that life is missed, from the beginning of time to its end, so we are all deprived or not deprived. Since none of our conciousness and memories can continue after death, ultimately we all suffer no loss.
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[flecc]

But it's not a numbers game. it's a rapidly progressing severe illness frequently requiring ITU treatment.

The word rapidly is the key. We have long been in the game of prolonging life and in conseqence prolonging the suffering. Ergo, all in the name of medical advance and achievement we all too often do wrong. I saw this at first hand with both my parents, dying at 78 and 88 respectively. There's no point in doing that since there is no gain.

See my above post.
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[jonathan.agnew]

The word rapidly is the key. We have long been in the game of prolonging life and in conseqence prolonging the suffering. Ergo, all in the name of medical advance and achievement we all to often do wrong. I saw this at first hand with both my parents, dying at 78 and 88 respectively. There's no point in doing that since there is no gain.

See my above post.
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Theoretically yes, and I'm as nihilistic as the next middleaged bloke. But you'd be surprised how quickly that moral relativism evaporate when the coughing glass start and one realise time is in fact all one ever have had.

 

[flecc]

Theoretically yes, and I'm as nihilistic as the next middleaged bloke. But you'd be surprised how quickly that moral relativism evaporate when the coughing glass start and one realise time is in fact all one ever have had.

All I can say at 84 is that if given the option of dying now in this 24 hour period or living two or three more years, I'd have no hesitation in choosing to go right now.
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