Have you read the FTA summary yet? clearly not to come out with this post
Brexit, for once some facts.
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You got this bit right
"One of the definitions of stupid is to repeat a mistake and expect a different outcome "
But we did with this cut and paste of May's earlier deal with knobs on
We didn't get "Free Trade" as we had in the EU, we got a hell of a lot more forms, work and expense, you really are still not interested in facts, are you?
flecc is 100% correct.
OJ is obviously joking when he refers to this as a "friendly relationship"
Where his choice of government is concerned it's like trying to have a friendly relationship with a nest of rattlesnakes.
Watch the knives come out!
They'll be back to EU bashing within weeks in the press, and I could be being optimistic there
You being optimistic? Come on. Steady on.OJ is obviously joking when he refers to this as a "friendly relationship"
Where his choice of government is concerned it's like trying to have a friendly relationship with a nest of rattlesnakes.
Watch the knives come out!
They'll be back to EU bashing within weeks in the press, and I could be being optimistic there
true, I suppose she wanted to help BJ's claim to victory.
The UK has to ratify it first, before the end of the year.
In the new year, VDL may change her tune.
The way I see it, the EU's wish list is more or less completely accorded.
EU conceded only 25% of its catch of fish over 5 years, not worth a great deal.
The UK will have to pay 7 year subscription to any program it wants to participate: Euratom, Horizon etc while being locked out of the more lucrative ones like GALILEO.
It's no wonder that BJ could not keep Erasmus.
Our wish list must have included passporting for our banks and insurance companies, still to be negotiated, health care, tuition fees, mobile phone roaming etc still to be negotiated etc
Euratom
Gailileo
EMA
Erasmus
Irish sea border
Europol, SIS2 and the European Arrest Warrant
CE mark (needing UKCA instead)
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Gailileo
EMA
Erasmus
Irish sea border
Europol, SIS2 and the European Arrest Warrant
CE mark (needing UKCA instead)
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I have not been predicting no deal, only predicting that the deal will be no good and that is what has happened, only you are incapable of seeing it though your red mist of anti EU rage.
Indeed thoughout both May and Johnson I've repeatedly posted that there would definitely be a deal, since I knew neither dared depart without one.
And once again, we have not got free trade now. We have lost our all important automatic access to sell our services, the bulk of our trading, exactly as I predicted was inevitable four and half years ago when I opened this thread. And the trade we will have is now full of impediments. In addition we've lost freedom of movement which is another key aspect of free trade which is not all about objects. That is why it's one of the four pillars of the EU, something you've never understood.
I know I'm wasting my time posting this reply, but it is a prediction for the record. We will increasingly fail outside of the EU, just as we did before 1972. The simple reason for that is that we haven't sufficiently improved our own product world wide export performance since then. Unlike EU members such as Germany, Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, France and even Italy, exposing the lie that is our excuse that EU membership prevented us from doing that.
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"In the new year, VDL may change her tune.".. I don't think so . If it the same snippet I watched, her words were very well chosen. The sentence at the end very telling. Paraphrased it says .. this job is now finished. If there is to be a new future it is Is European.
Heres a Boxing Day treat for you all the full text of the EU/UK FTA
https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2020/EN/COM-2020-857-F1-EN-ANNEX-1-PART-1.PDF
All 1256 pages of it.
This has to be the longest Unconditional Surrender treaty we have ever made
Time for a good read eh?
Independent are we? like this?
Chapter 3: Sanitary and phytosanitary measures
Article SPS.11: Audits and verifications
1. The importing Party may carry out audits and verifications of the following: (a) all or part of the other Party’s authorities’ inspection and certification system; (b) the results of the controls carried out under the exporting Party’s inspection and certification system.
2. The Parties shall carry out those audits and verifications in accordance with the provisions of the SPS Agreement, taking into account the relevant international standards, guidelines and recommendations of the Codex Alimentarius, OIE or IPPC.
3. For the purposes of carrying out such audits and verifications, the importing Party may conduct audits and verifications by means of requests of information from the exporting Party or audit and verification visits to the exporting Party, which may include: (a) an assessment of all or part of the responsible authorities’ total control programme, including, where appropriate, reviews of regulatory audit and inspection activities; (b) on-the-spot checks; and (c) the collection of information and data to assess the causes of recurring or emerging problems in relation to exports of products.
https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2020/EN/COM-2020-857-F1-EN-ANNEX-1-PART-1.PDF
All 1256 pages of it.
This has to be the longest Unconditional Surrender treaty we have ever made
Time for a good read eh?
Independent are we? like this?
Chapter 3: Sanitary and phytosanitary measures
Article SPS.11: Audits and verifications
1. The importing Party may carry out audits and verifications of the following: (a) all or part of the other Party’s authorities’ inspection and certification system; (b) the results of the controls carried out under the exporting Party’s inspection and certification system.
2. The Parties shall carry out those audits and verifications in accordance with the provisions of the SPS Agreement, taking into account the relevant international standards, guidelines and recommendations of the Codex Alimentarius, OIE or IPPC.
3. For the purposes of carrying out such audits and verifications, the importing Party may conduct audits and verifications by means of requests of information from the exporting Party or audit and verification visits to the exporting Party, which may include: (a) an assessment of all or part of the responsible authorities’ total control programme, including, where appropriate, reviews of regulatory audit and inspection activities; (b) on-the-spot checks; and (c) the collection of information and data to assess the causes of recurring or emerging problems in relation to exports of products.
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It is not an unconditional surrender .... It is very conditional.Heres a Boxing Day treat for you all the full text of the EU/UK FTA
https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdoc/rep/1/2020/EN/COM-2020-857-F1-EN-ANNEX-1-PART-1.PDF
All 1256 pages of it.
This has to be the longest Unconditional Surrender treaty we have ever made
Time for a good read eh?
That is a fair comment, but considering the mismatch of intelligence brought to bear on the problem that we didn't wish to understand, we folded at a point where the EU had us on the ropes, and of course we are all acutely aware that anything that doesn't suit the EU government, or it doesn't understand will simply be ignored
With the bliss that only ignorance can bring we have signed on the dotted line
A Classic example was Boris saying it was 500 pages, he must have asked Priti Patel to count them for him
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Team effort - British and Polish army and French firefighters... Not forgetting the Germans airlifting food to Yorkshire...
'Get the Gurkhas in to sort it out ... I know they’re foreign but they’re with us, aren’t they?How the Calais crisis is laying bare racism in middle England
Mother-of-two Hayley Brown is angry.
www.heraldscotland.com
2nd August 2015
Hundreds more lorries arriving from Europe each day try to bypass the police-controlled Operation Stack - the procedure used by Kent Police and the Port of Dover to park lorries on the M20 motorway when services across the English Channel are disrupted - by driving through Ashford’s centre and along the narrow roads of its surrounding villages, causing yet more congestion and resentment among locals.
When asked what role the army should play, she refers, without a hint of irony, to the Royal Gurkha Rifles regiment base in Folkestone just up the road from the Channel Tunnel terminal.
“Get the Gurkhas in to sort it out,” she says. “I know they’re foreign but they’re with us, aren’t they?
Someone hasn't bothered with facts again, has he? you really never learn do you?
The Royal Gurkha Rifles. One of many fine regiment within The British Army and a formidable brave fighting force too. We are honoured to have their support. The British armed forces has saved France, yet again, from the two words which define them as a nation, treachery and spinelessness. It is no wonder the French behave in the manner we have witnessed in recent days. They must feel such overwhelming shame and embarrassment. They have a president short in stature, Mr Micron, and as a nation, like their president, they frequently fail to measure up too.
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UK economy to outstrip Europe over next 15 years
New global ranking lifts Brexit hopes with forecast that GDP in Britain will be 23pc more than in France by 2035
Seriously you are getting worse, perhaps you need reminding
"The UK War Office in 1922 estimated French losses as 1,385,300 dead and missing, including 58,000 colonial soldiers. The U.S. War Department in 1924 estimated 1,357,800 killed and died. The names of the soldiers who died for France during World War I are listed on-line by the French government.
And earlier it's hard to see how Napoleon could have won so many battles and conquered as much of Europe as he did using "spineless" French soldiers.
Spineless? really ?
And our latest exploit is to save France from the biggest traffic gridlock any nation ever on it's own main arteries of trade created by Johnson's panic announcement over the new Covid strain he knew about in September ,to cover the fact he had failed to lockdown the country in time yet again, and he still hasn't has he?
Odd that there must be a similar situation on the other side of the channel that never gets mentioned in the media, isn't it? or are the French so well organised it hasn't caused a problem there?
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