The Erasmus scheme , evidence of one of Johnson's lies
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Yep, about 20 years of Tory fun... They have just cemented at least the next 2 elections. Boris has just increased his already dominant position. The deal is nothing like BRINO, it's got what Farage campaigned on... Its nothing like in name only. Its a result for all those who voted leave. That's fine...
Had we got no deal I, d have come back on here and apologised, accepted it had all being for nothing and utterly pointless. As it is the freedom from Brussels and all the other positives are easily worth the areas of compromise.
Its actually been worth voting leave. I had thought not until this deal was arrived at. I, m actually pleasantly surprised and truly believe the EU has compromised far more than we have. What was it... Free trade comes with free movement.. It clearly does not. Not for UK... Only now a matter of time before Fleccs compatriots follow suit. EU has just agreed to its eventual demise.And in reality it had little choice.
How long before Greece, Italy and a few other EU poorer countries realise they can limit immigration, have free trade and not be tied to Euro??? Two years at best. Question isn't if, its when and who first. Greece or Italy.???
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BJ got his Canada style deal. So is it a success for the EU or for BJ?
My contention is the no tariff deal is a success for the EU. They sell more to us then we to them. It comes with our obligation to keep up with EU's standard. Canada is not obliged to. In the mean time, they continue to fish in our waters for 5 1/2 more years.
Had TM been able to get her deal through, the deal would have been the same plus some service components. So which one would have been better?
Yep, fishing in our waters for 5 and half years but paying back to us a quarter of catch (in value), in scheme of things 5. 5 years is nothing and EU wanted 14 years...
Both sides have compromised, one side has gone against exactly what it insisted would happen (no free trade without free movement)
EU have compromised far more, simple really, overall they stood to lose far more. Per capita perhaps UK... Our negotiators knew that and had Merkel saying same last 6 months or so.
Still think great result for both sides short term. Long term weaker EU members will be looking for same deal. Its inevitable. Whether Italy and Greece carry enough clout (buying power) to hold EU to ransom I, m not so sure. What I am sure of is they will be trying.
Didn't you read my earlier post? you really should, we are now dependent completely on the goodwill of the EU and there's no mechanism for us to affect whatever policy they impose on us, and in four years time they have the choice to give us the boot if we have served their purpose.
However, the agreement does not guarantee frictionless trade. New paperwork will be a massive extra burden on businesses, with firms expected to have to fill in more than 200 million customs declarations annually. and what is the point of foreign car makers going to the extra expense of production here when they can do it cheaper on the mainland?
And if we tax them, then they have access to arbitration in the agreement so we are no better off than when subject to the ECJ
Really you Brexit fans couldn't see an oncoming truck as it runs you down.
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Here is the reaction in the USA
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/world/europe/european-union-brexit-britain.html
For the European Union, It’s a Pretty Good Deal
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/world/europe/european-union-brexit-britain.html
For the European Union, It’s a Pretty Good Deal
I travel abroad quite a lot and even countries that require a visa only want to put a
stamp in your passport....takes 10 seconds.
stamp in your passport....takes 10 seconds.
The FCO has not yet put up the requirements after 31/12/2020.
But:
Business travel may need a visa even for short stays;
Carrying milk or meat products is (mostly) forbidden;
Non-Schengen countries might have different requirements.
Boris Johnson vows to pit UK against EU in race for success
... Remind me what happened to the pits?
Happy Christmas.
... Remind me what happened to the pits?
Happy Christmas.
As to Boris has got "Brexit Done"
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According to the UK's official summary, a "Partnership Council will supervise the operation of the Agreement at a political level”.
Essentially a group for ministers and senior officials to iron out any disagreements.
It will be supported by a network of other committees, including on trade.
So while Brexit might soon be over - talks between the UK and EU will not.
Sounds pretty close to an ECJ clone
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According to the UK's official summary, a "Partnership Council will supervise the operation of the Agreement at a political level”.
Essentially a group for ministers and senior officials to iron out any disagreements.
It will be supported by a network of other committees, including on trade.
So while Brexit might soon be over - talks between the UK and EU will not.
Sounds pretty close to an ECJ clone
You only need to think back to when the government placed COVID travel restrictions to certain EU countries for U k residents. Those countries affected were kicking up a big fuss because they rely heavily on tourism. Travel within the EU never was and never will be an issue (except for COVID restrictions).
Happy Christmas Pedaldickers. Hope you all have the best day possible within whichever tier you are living. The finishing line is in sight, so don’t mess it up, despite what Johnson tells you to do!
Happy And safe Christmas to you to, and of course everyone on here and everywhere else too!
As someone once said
"This is not the end
nor even the beginning of the end
but it is perhaps the end of the beginning"
I think that must be quite limited 'abroad'. Rules change so maybe easier now than a few years ago, but Russia and India at least need rather more than that.
Nonetheless, I don't think that will become the case for the EU.
Meanwhile ... Happy Christmas
According to the Irish Times. At least Erasmus and the European Health Insurance Card remain for NI residents. The RoI will underwrite them. The view being that as NI residents, they have the right to get treated as EU residents ..and with Irish passports ,as EU citizens.
Only the Express could print garage like this
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EU doomed: Post-Brexit Brussels could become 'economic BACKWATER' predicts Andrew Neil
ANDREW NEIL has issued a dire warning to the European Union, predicting the bloc could become a "backwater" in as little as 15 years.
How is that going to happen? they have secured all they wanted for the FTA most importantly of all they have neutered any influence we had over their future.
Neil is simply off his head
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EU doomed: Post-Brexit Brussels could become 'economic BACKWATER' predicts Andrew Neil
ANDREW NEIL has issued a dire warning to the European Union, predicting the bloc could become a "backwater" in as little as 15 years.
How is that going to happen? they have secured all they wanted for the FTA most importantly of all they have neutered any influence we had over their future.
Neil is simply off his head
Tell me why it won't.
As I said yesterday, EU are between a rock and hard place. Punish us, punish themselves. Don't punish us others will leave. Will take a few years for Portugal,Greece, Italy and Spain to realise UK is fine out of EU, has free trade, self determination, immigration control and fiscally OK... They all already feel Euro is holding them back(none of them can devalue their own currency), they will see a growing trend of rich Europeans with more buying power than they can imagine,and rightly or wrongly will blame EU for their plight. A common currency between rich and poor countries is impossible without common welfare, social care and taxation. Look how USA uses federal money to pay welfare for poorer States. Californian tax pays Alabama welfare. No such arrangement will ever exist in EU, would cost Germany and France way more than they can pay, more so now without us.
Its not a matter of if for countries to leave . Its when. Unless of course there is massive reform, reform the EU can ill afford. Reform to make Greeks and Italians as rich as the French and Germans. Its simply a matter of time and which country exits next. My bet is Italy. They are actually fiercely in dependant and have an inbuilt mistrust of Germany. (sorry for racist tone, but it's true)
EU is now doomed.
Merry Christmas everybody.
Still peddling the same old nonsense? we will not thrive outside the EU, simply totter along, while more and more nations gain membership, but by the time four years have elapsed we will be angling to get back in
JP Morgan has said suggested the bad news outweighs the good news for the UK regarding its trade deal with the UK.
“The good news is that a disruptive and acrimonious 'no deal' has been avoided,” JPMorgan's Malcolm Barr wrote in a research note on Thursday, which was quoted by CNN.
“The bad news for the UK, in our view, is that the EU appears to have secured a deal which allows it to retain nearly all of the advantages it derives from its trading relationship with the UK, while giving it the ability to use regulatory structures to cherry pick among the sectors where the UK had previously enjoyed advantages in the trading relationship.”
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I don’t think we will be looking to rejoin in four years time. We may have done so had Coronavirus not come along, but now it’s here, coronavirus will be a convenient scapegoat upon which to lay the blame for all the economic hardship created by Brexit. It will now take 6 to 8 years before people realise what damage Brexit has done.
I’m still waiting for someone to tell me which opportunities we are going to grasp next year, which EU laws they are going to scrap because they have been disadvantaged by them and what new U.K. laws they’d like to see in their pace. All I hear is, fish, sovereignty, freedom and bullying. All totally meaningless and without any substance whatsoever. They are simply random words, in fact they don’t even meet the requirement for that status. Usually words are used in a sentence that actually means something, freedom & sovereignty in the context of Brexit is complete nonsense.