Brexit, for once some facts.

jonathan.agnew

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Corbyn stood by and did nothing whilst Jew Baiting took place. His leadership team interfered with internal Jew Hate investigations. The EHRC found that Labour has an anti-semitism problem and produced pages of evidence to support it. The EHRC said that Labour must accept that there is a problem if they are to stand any chance of resolving it.

What’s the first thing Corbyn does? Denies it and says it’s over exaggerated:D What a clown.

The country sent his hateful, racist & jealous monsters a clear message at the last election. Nobody wants him, nobody wants his vile racist henchman and nobody wants his policies of envy and destruction. It’s over for you. Get used to it, you will never see Corbyn or his type in power.
The lady doth protest - a great deal - too much.
 
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jonathan.agnew

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who accuses JC as a racist? Nobody, but he is insensitive toward the victims of racism in his party when he was in charge. When the EHRC report came out, instead of showing regret and empathy to the victims, he could only think of himself, declaring that only 0.03% of the membership was accused. Would that matter to the victims?
Starmer tried to get him to retract his insensitive remark, what did he do? split his party.
Who would want him for leader of the opposition?
Corbyn was saying that as part of shedding light on what's behind the investigation. A subtext. But I get what you say. The jewish ghettos in north london are an absolute travesty. and I say that as a jew. Heaven forbid we cast our eyes away from the miserable wretches. I mean, the plight of Palestinians pale in significance.
 
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jonathan.agnew

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WTF? Protest about what? I made a statement, not a protest. :)

I’m pleased that you have finally conceded that I am right.
Now now. Playground passive aggression isnt going to get you out of your pickle. Is it? Your stuck with boris the klutz. And his happy band of clowns. after they massacred the old. and unemployed the young. And racked up more debt than any peacetime labour government. Or the 08 crisis. Guess who will cover the tab? You of course.
 

flecc

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who accuses JC as a racist? Nobody, but he is insensitive toward the victims of racism in his party when he was in charge. When the EHRC report came out, instead of showing regret and empathy to the victims, he could only think of himself, declaring that only 0.03% of the membership was accused. Would that matter to the victims?
If the so called victims had any balance in their views, yes it should matter to them and stop them feeling and expressing themselves as so hard done by.

Simply because there will be a similar percentage in any other party or large grouping of people. In other word just the human failings we all suffer from at the hands of others at times in our lives.

The adult amongst us just shrug and move on.
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The adult amongst us just shrug and move on.
quite.
We'll soon know at the next by-election.
You know that Starmer is a lot more electable even if you can't bring yourself to admitting it,
 

Barry Shittpeas

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If the so called victims had any balance in their views, yes it should matter to them and stop them feeling and expressing themselves as so hard done by.

Simply because there will be a similar percentage in any other party or large grouping of people. In other word just the human failings we all suffer from at the hands of others at times in our lives.

The adult amongst us just shrug and move on.
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Are you saying that the EHRC investigation is incorrect and that your own is more accurate? That was one of the EHRC's findings, party members unwillingness to acknowledge the problem. It's quite a problem and it's what resulted in Corbyn having a boot inserted up his jacksy.
 

flecc

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quite.
We'll soon know at the next by-election.
You know that Starmer is a lot more electable even if you can't bring yourself to admitting it,
That's very wrong, I do agree and that's not being perverse. I will equally agree that as a politician Jeremy Corbyn is ineffectual.

But that doesn't worry me, after all the late great Clement Attlee was too, as Churchill once said "A modest man with much to be modest about". One could equally level ineffectuality against Michael Foot, Ed Miliband, Theresa May and John Major.

I concern myself with the important, the policies, and Corbyn's were so good that the Tories are following them. And that isn't due to Covid. When Boris was elected and appointed his ministers last Autumn, long before Covid struck, his then chancellor Sajid Javid announced their major cash investment program to expand the economy. And his transport minister then, Grant Shapps, announced the nationalisation of Northern Rail and added ominously that they wouldn't be the last. Both very much Corbyn's policies.
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Bizarre happening at speakers corner:

Last week, Hatun Tash, a diminutive woman was punched in the face at speakers corner because someone didn't like what she was saying. In response to that, tommy Robinson and some of his followers decided to have an event of love and support for her by taking flowers, chocolates, etc.

I was watching it broadcast by a live-streamer because I thought something interesting might kick off. there was a fair crowd there when TR turned up surrounded by body-guards. they made their way through the crowd to Hatun. TR mad a small speech, had a polite conversation with a couple of guys, one of whom looked a bit like a reporter, then he started making his way back, again surrounded by his body-guards. When they got to the edge of the throng without any sort of incident, the police suddenly appeared in mass - I'd say more than 100 altogether. They arrested him and dragged him off. One of his guys got close enough to ask why he'd been arrested. TR shouted out that it was for possession of an offensive weapon, but he said he didn't have anything that could be construed as such. I was watching the whole time, and I didn't see any sign of trouble, rudeness, nor anything else like that.

The only thing that would make sense to me was that the police used the arrest as a pretext to get him out of there because they had credible info that his life was in danger, as the event was announced in social media and he has a big target on his back The arrest was truly bizarre, there were about a dozen policemen completely surrounding him at all times until they had him in the van. If my theory is wrong, his arrest was absolutely tyrannical. I watched the whole thing from start to finish with my own eyes. The only thing he waved was a box of Ferrero Rocher on his way in, when he was waving to his fans, and he was rather aggressively eating a packet of crisps on the way back leading to his arrest.

After TR was arrested, the police did a sweep and seemed to be clearing off all his supporters from the area under the threat of arrest for breaching Covid regulations, but, AFAICS, they left everybody else there.

Now broadcast here. TR starts at 1:57:00 and the arrest at 2:25:00
 
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flecc

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Are you saying that the EHRC investigation is incorrect and that your own is more accurate? That was one of the EHRC's findings, party members unwillingness to acknowledge the problem. It's quite a problem and it's what resulted in Corbyn having a boot inserted up his jacksy.
I've no idea who the EHCR are.

I am saying the ECHR have deliberately produced a biased report due to Zionist influence, probably as much within the ECHR as outside.

Where is the ECHR condemnation of the appalling racist treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli Jews? Where is the ECHR condemnation of the party leaders who support that racism with arms and silence, failing to do anything about it?

Same issues, same politics, but a huge bias in their treatment.
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Can you stand in front of a mirror, look yourself in the eye and say, Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbot would have done a better job?

Care homes aside, people have killed themselves in many cases.
Yes I can, and for the life of me I can't see why anyone would imagine otherwise.
Even Larry the Cat would have done a better job
 
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oldgroaner

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But the fact still remains that Corbyn and Abbott would have ****** it up to an even greater extent. The Tories have messed up by trying to focus on the economy and health, but not getting either right. Corbyn and Co. wouldn't have focussed on either. They would have continued Jew Baiting, researching whether "Nightingale" has any links to slavery and generally getting fuckall done. We would be in even worse state under Corbyn.
Since Corbyn according to your wisdom didn't care a damn about the economy, what was to prevent him imposing a lockdown precisely when it was called for?

And he certainly would not have showered millions or is it billions on his mates to achieve sweet Fanny Adams, would he?

Put simply you are talking nonsense from a biased rather than logical point of view
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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I've no idea who the EHCR are.

I am saying the ECHR have deliberately produced a biased report due to Zionist influence, probably as much within the ECHR as outside.

Where is the ECHR condemnation of the appalling racist treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli Jews? Where is the ECHR condemnation of the party leaders who support that racism with arms and silence, failing to do anything about it?

Same issues, same politics, but a huge bias in their treatment.
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It's actually EHRC, not ECHE or EHCR :D:D:D But you did know very well who I was referring too.
 

flecc

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It's actually EHRC
No it's not, we are longer in the EU so it's ECHR. Anyway they even call themselves that and as they are foreigners we have to accord them the courtesy of calling them what they say they are, though I can think of more suitable names.
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Barry Shittpeas

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I've no idea who the EHCR are.

I am saying the ECHR have deliberately produced a biased report due to Zionist influence, probably as much within the ECHR as outside.

Where is the ECHR condemnation of the appalling racist treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli Jews? Where is the ECHR condemnation of the party leaders who support that racism with arms and silence, failing to do anything about it?

Same issues, same politics, but a huge bias in their treatment.
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Again, you fall into the same trap as OG. Every enquiry has it's scope defined at the outset. In this instance they were asked to look into whether a Jew problem existed within Labour. Not how big the problem was, who was guilty or any other forms of racism existed. Just, is there a problem. They found a problem and provided evidence of it. Lots of evidence.

Like OG & Corbyn you are a denier. Nothing will ever get fixed whilst that state of mind exists. Starmer kicked Corbyn's sorry arse out as the first step towards a solution.

Had they been asked to look at other forms of racism, I'm sure they would have found it, but they were not asked to do so.

The above encapsulates the Jew problem within Labour, denial and an unwillingness to accept remedies. The commission were spot on about that.
 
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