Brexit, for once some facts.

[vfr400]

You're still not getting it vfr

Yes, it's that time of the month, but she said it should be OK tomorrow.

 

[RossG]

One picture shows a cult leader preaching to his cult, the other shows some Biden supporters walking through a car park.

If you are going to post picture puzzles you'll have to do better than that.

As you've already said Trump rallies are entertainment, the cult followers go along wearing their Chinese manufactured MAGA hats and waving their flags made from Chinese polyester. They are not there to hear about policies or intentions, which is just as well because Trump has none for the people's benefit, only his own.

Typical of Chinese manufactures getting it wrong. Trump ordered 2 million hats which arrived with a misprint, they read MAGA instead of GAGA...non-returnable of course.

 

[Woosh]

But Blair was not left. He was a neoconservative, not just politically or in terms of foreign policy (let's gloss over the small matter of destabilising the middle east for several generations and causing Syria, Libya etc shall we?). Also in his chancellor brown's raid on pension funds; all part of architecture of the 08 meltdown. Until boris brexit (and the cognitive dissonant twats who voted for him) came along it was hard to imagine any uk govt could inflict more damage than the blair/brown did

so where do you think the core values of the Labour party and/or Labour movement are?
with the far left or with Blair/Brown?
with Corbyn or with Starmer? and before you said, Starmer is Corbynista, he certainly is not.

 

[RossG]

Yes, it's that time of the month, but she said it should be OK tomorrow.

That's not what she said to me...ask her again!

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Aside from care homes, lying about overall deaths, ppe, test and trace, delaying the lockdown, in march as now, opening pubs and restaurants, etc, etc. (teres a reason were practically doing the worst in the world). as a conservative I can imagine it's easy to rationalise all of that with asides for the promise of paying less tax. As you did with the mass murder in care homes.

But the fact still remains that Corbyn and Abbott would have ****** it up to an even greater extent. The Tories have messed up by trying to focus on the economy and health, but not getting either right. Corbyn and Co. wouldn't have focussed on either. They would have continued Jew Baiting, researching whether "Nightingale" has any links to slavery and generally getting fuckall done. We would be in even worse state under Corbyn.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Head's up everybody ..... a relative has just sent a text from outside a large ASDA supermarket down here on the windy coast. Pandemonium inside, car park full of queuing people with little room for cars.
It's started already, I have 500 toilet rolls which I can sell to forum members for only £4.75 each + P&P

Soon you'll be able to sell it for £4.75 + P&P per sheet..

 

[RossG]

Soon you'll be able to sell it for £4.75 + P&P per sheet..

Used..

 

[jonathan.agnew]

But the fact still remains that Corbyn and Abbott would have ****** it up to an even greater extent. The Tories have messed up by trying to focus on the economy and health, but not getting either right. Corbyn and Co. wouldn't have focussed on either. They would have continued Jew Baiting, researching whether "Nightingale" has any links to slavery and generally getting fuckall done. We would be in even worse state under Corbyn.

That, is your fantasy about labour. Not reality. They would have done something like adern's labour in New Zealand. I have a lot of sympathy for your position. If I voted myself willingly into where we are now I'd have to engage in industrial levels of rationalisation. I believe it's called cognitive dissonance. It will take considerably more bad news before that wears off I'm afraid.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Used..

"pre-loved"

 

[flecc]

it's the other way round.
You seem to identify Labour's core values with its far left militants.
The far left enrols itself into the Labour party and destroys its chances from within.
I remember Michael Foot, Kinnock, Smith, they all had troubles with the far left before Blair.
Only Blair managed to shut the far left in his party, that results in victory for Labour in 3 elections.
Best thing for Labour is to rid itself of the far left.

As so often, not in any way answering my showing Tony Blair to be by far the worst UK party leader in modern times, doing immense lasting damage to their electoral chances. As I mentioned, it was by common consent that Labour's chance of gaining power were destroyed by the rise of the SNP. Prior to that Labour only won or came close with a near clean sweep of the Scottish seats. Their loss was due to Blair's devolution policy, certainly not Labour's left wing policies.

It seems you think socialism is far left, rather like those Tories who think socialism or the state running anything is communist, Marxist or Trotskyite. I don't want a US style future of two right wing parties, one far right and the other carefully avoiding any hint of socialism to avoid that opportunity for attack. Socialism has a rightful and very necessary place in any humane modern politics as Europe and indeed the UK has previously shown, something the ECHR should have considered before launching an unwarranted attack on a socialist party.
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[jonathan.agnew]

so where do you think the core values of the Labour party and/or Labour movement are?
with the far left or with Blair/Brown?
with Corbyn or with Starmer? and before you said, Starmer is Corbynista, he certainly is not.

In corbyn and mc Donnel's economic manifesto that balanced growth and redistribution. That wasn't the far left parody right wing nuts try to portray it like. It emphasised state investment for economic growth. But not for the benefit of the offshore companies that sponsor boris et al.

 

[Woosh]

That, is your fantasy about labour. Not reality. They would have done something like adern's labour in New Zealand.

so you would equate NZ's Adern with JC and Abbott?

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Yes, it's that time of the month, but she said it should be OK tomorrow.

How about a st valentine's day massacre (a war crime even breitbart doesnt officially acknowledge)?

 

[flecc]

so where do you think the core values of the Labour party and/or Labour movement are?
with the far left or with Blair/Brown?

The Labour party's core values are socialism and humanity and have been ever since Keir Hardy founded it, they are certainly not Blairs destructive values.

with Corbyn or with Starmer? and before you said, Starmer is Corbynista, he certainly is not.

Starmer had declared he does believe in Corbyn's policies and has said he will follow them. In truth his key policy is expediency. However, since his only chance of power lies not within anything he can do, but by there being a collapse of the Tory vote, we'll probably never find out.
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[jonathan.agnew]

so you would equate NZ's Adern with JC and Abbott?

Not quite. But up the same street. the absurd parody - from overt racists on the right wing of conservative politics - to discredit more egalitarian politics by portraying corbyn as a jew hating trotskyist is profoundly machiavellian. And wearing quite thin.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

so you would equate NZ's Adern with JC and Abbott?

That tells you everything. There is nothing else to say. He’s a lost cause.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

That tells you everything. There is nothing else to say. He’s a lost cause.

Character assassination is pretty much all you do, huh? Try. To. Kickstart. The. Frontal. Lobes. For. A. Change. Adern's core policies are about social and racial justice. Very much as in the corbyn/mc Donnell manifesto.

 

[Woosh]

Not quite. But up the same street. the absurd parody - from overt racists on the right wing of conservative politics - to discredit more egalitarian politics by portraying corbyn as a jew hating trotskyist is profoundly machiavellian. And wearing quite thin.

who accuses JC as a racist? Nobody, but he is insensitive toward the victims of racism in his party when he was in charge. When the EHRC report came out, instead of showing regret and empathy to the victims, he could only think of himself, declaring that only 0.03% of the membership was accused. Would that matter to the victims?
Starmer tried to get him to retract his insensitive remark, what did he do? split his party.
Who would want him for leader of the opposition?

 

[RossG]

"pre-loved"

I've got a couple of pre-loved camera's I got off of ebay, I'd better get the sanitizer wipes out on them.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Not quite. But up the same street. the absurd parody - from overt racists on the right wing of conservative politics - to discredit more egalitarian politics by portraying corbyn as a jew hating trotskyist is profoundly machiavellian. And wearing quite thin.

Corbyn stood by and did nothing whilst Jew Baiting took place. His leadership team interfered with internal Jew Hate investigations. The EHRC found that Labour has an anti-semitism problem and produced pages of evidence to support it. The EHRC said that Labour must accept that there is a problem if they are to stand any chance of resolving it.

What’s the first thing Corbyn does? Denies it and says it’s over exaggerated What a clown.

The country sent his hateful, racist & jealous monsters a clear message at the last election. Nobody wants him, nobody wants his vile racist henchman and nobody wants his policies of envy and destruction. It’s over for you. Get used to it, you will never see Corbyn or his type in power.