Brexit, for once some facts.

[Nev]

Lets hope the Oxford Vaccine did not cause this.

Coronavirus: Oxford University vaccine trial paused after participant falls ill

AstraZeneca describes the pause in its keenly-awaited final clinical trials as routine.

www.bbc.co.uk

It does however show the importance of carrying out the vaccine trials following the correct protocols and not trying to speed them up by cutting corners. I would like to think people such as Putin and Trump, would take notice of this and not apply political pressure onto the people carrying out the trials, but I doubt that will happen.

 

[RossG]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Boris works on the same principal as Trump, he once said he didn't care what crimes he was charged with as he would just pardon himself.
Boris can do whatever he wants with a large majority inc. breaking the law because he can wrangle himself out of it.

 

[Danidl]

Good point, well presented. I was thinking the same as soon as I saw that chart. There's something very fishy about it. It's a stupid thing to graph anyway, and by changing the target group you test, you can make it go up and down as you please. When I thought I had the virus, they wouldn't test me because one of the criteria was symptoms for 4 days or fewer, and I'd had symptoms for 5 days. Mysteriously, when I was admitted to hospital the next day, the first thing they did was a covid-19 test.

The problem is that just about everybody presenting data has an agenda that's nothing to do with getting objective information for the public. Hardly any of the data makes sense. The only sensible data would be how many people catch the virus and become ill, and how many die from it, but nobody presents it like that. Why? Why do some hospitals get paid an incentive for everybody they treat that they say has the virus?

There are three sure facts about the virus. 1. People can catch it, after which a fair proportion become ill and recover, and a small proportion die. 2. Some powerful people are using it as a lever to gain more power and control. 3. Many people are using it as a tool to advance their political agenda, and that includes some people posting here.

Only your point 1 is sure. The rest are a mixture of conjecture .
The facts there based on a sample size of 28 M ....
.A. 28M people got it seriously enough to trigger the postive diagnosis.
B. 0.85M people have died .. presumably from it or as a co morbidity factor
C. About 18M are deemed cured , meaning that 4% died during treatment.
D. 10M still have active infections.

Now the deemed "cured " .is interesting in that certain fractions of this group will have suffered other medical conditions.

 

[oyster]

Will this be contracted to Serco or G4S?

In addition, we will introduce COVID-19 Secure Marshals to help local authorities support social distancing in towns and city centres.​

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Adding:

I see that City of London already has a marshal.

City Marshal​

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The origin of the City Marshal can be found in letters patent of Queen Elizabeth I dated 1595 which gave powers to a marshal to maintain order in the City.​

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Subsequently, an Under-Marshal was appointed along with six Marshalmen. All were provided with horses. With the passing of the Police Acts of 1829 and 1839, many of the policing duties were removed from the marshals. Nevertheless, the City Marshal is still the Lord Mayor’s peacekeeper. As such he ‘clears the way’ by the marshalling of civic processions ‘and calls the names of the members thereof in their proper order.’ He also represents the Lord Mayor at all Entry of Troops. He challenges, then escorts those regiments (seven in 2008) honoured to be allowed to exercise their privilege to march through the City ‘with drums beating, bayonets fixed and colours flying.’​

Could cause some confusion.

 

[Wicky]

And who'll head the moon mission (Moonshine?) he's got planned for the Spring - usual suspects? Dido, Hancock, Grayling . Esp as the current testing is coming off the rails due to riff raff wanting tests.

 

[oyster]

And who'll head the moon mission (Moonshine?) he's got planned for the Spring - usual suspects? Dido, Hancock, Grayling . Esp as the current testing is coming off the rails due to riff raff wanting tests.

I am truly confused.

The other day we saw this:

Scotland and Wales to buy 12-minute Covid testing machines ​

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Scottish government buying 300 rapid testing machines and Wales signs up for up to 400​

Now Johnson is reported to be demanding this:

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A new 'moon-shot testing' approach, which would depend on the development of 90 or even 20 minute antigen tests, will be piloted in Salford.​

Is he playing catch-up - but failing. (No, that's Grayling's role.)

Is he simply ignorant?

Have the S & W machine orders been cancelled?

 

[oldgroaner]

Bang go the fish stocks in the North Sea (again)

https://thefishingdaily.com/featured-news/tories-vote-to-remove-sustainability-clause-from-uk-fisheries-bill/

Putin is getting a huge return on his investments

 

[oyster]

And who'll head the moon mission (Moonshine?) he's got planned for the Spring - usual suspects? Dido, Hancock, Grayling . Esp as the current testing is coming off the rails due to riff raff wanting tests.

NASA has just announced their SLS system for getting to the moon will cost $9.1 billion. Johnson's moonshot is being billed to cost around fourteen times that.

 

[oldgroaner]

NASA has just announced their SLS system for getting to the moon will cost $9.1 billion. Johnson's moonshot is being billed to cost around fourteen times that.

Yes but ours in going in the Red campaign bus.

 

[oldgroaner]

My morning tweet
"oldgroaner@oldgroaner
Replying to
@TheNewEuropean

"Michael Gove to hold hastily arranged Brexit talks with EU "
My goodness we are sending in dead sheep to savage the EU now! Why not go the whole hog and send his wife in?
that should frighten the natives into submission!

 

[oyster]

Sturgeon puts two fingers up to Westminster. Again. Rightly. When will we get one in Wales? (Give up if you are in England.)

Scotland Launches Contact Tracing App With Apple and Google API
Thursday September 10, 2020 2:04 am PDT by Tim Hardwick

Scotland is the latest country to implement Apple's and Google's Exposure Notification API in their COVID-19 contact tracing app, now available on the App Store.

The Protect Scotland app was developed by NHS Scotland and is based on the exposure notification technology that was jointly developed by Google and Apple. Some other countries that have implemented or are committed to implementing the API include Italy, Latvia, Switzerland, Germany, Poland, Saudi Arabia.
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/09/10/scotland-launches-contact-tracing-app/

 

[oyster]

Hmm. Might be skimpy evidence, but...

Fears grow that UK is preparing to quit Brexit talks
Concern grows as top EU official arrives in London for emergency talks over UK plans to breach withdrawal agreement

 

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[Woosh]

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wait until Christmas when the second wave start killing old people in much bigger number.

 

[flecc]

wait until Christmas when the second wave start killing old people in much bigger number.

But as ever, they'll be other people, so why should I worry?
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[jonathan.agnew]

But as ever, they'll be other people, so why should I worry?
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Yes, bad things always happen to other people (that will explain the terrible surprise I felt last time we hit that f9 in biscay)

 

[jonathan.agnew]

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If cancer could be cured and eliminated with social distancing, we'd treat it and the 450 or so deaths a day from it very differently. Have you given that waitress a hug yet? I like to see peddlers of fake news put their money where their mouth is.

 

[wheeler]

I am truly confused.

The other day we saw this:

Scotland and Wales to buy 12-minute Covid testing machines ​

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Scottish government buying 300 rapid testing machines and Wales signs up for up to 400​

Have the S & W machine orders been cancelled?

The Scottish ones certainly haven't, especially as the test strips will be manufactured in Stirling.

12-minute COVID tests

£6.76m deal will benefit Scottish manufacturing.

www.gov.scot

 

[vfr400]

If cancer could be cured and eliminated with social distancing, we'd treat it and the 450 or so deaths a day from it very differently. Have you given that waitress a hug yet? I like to see peddlers of fake news put their money where their mouth is.

My friend has terminal cancer. He's just gone into a hospice for the final stage. When he was first diagnosed about a year ago, he made frequent hospital visits to facilities that were always very busy. Since Covid-19, he's hardly made any visits, and he reports that when he did, the facilities were nearly deserted.

When I was in hospital 6 weeks ago, the whole place was extremely quiet. I was in the lung ward, where only 2 beds out of 8 were occupied most of the time. The previous time (2 years ago) I was admitted to the same ward, it was full, and they did everything to get the patients out as quickly as they could.

What's clear to me is that there must be many thousands of people that need treatment, who are not getting it.

Have you had any dealings with a GP recently? From my experience and the hassle I've had, I can see that a lot of people are going to end up with missed diagnoses, and some will inevitably die prematurely as a result.

 

[Danidl]

My friend has terminal cancer. He's just gone into a hospice for the final stage. When he was first diagnosed about a year ago, he made frequent hospital visits to facilities that were always very busy. Since Covid-19, he's hardly made any visits, and he reports that when he did, the facilities were nearly deserted.

When I was in hospital 6 weeks ago, the whole place was extremely quiet. I was in the lung ward, where only 2 beds out of 8 were occupied most of the time. The previous time (2 years ago) I was admitted to the same ward, it was full, and they did everything to get the patients out as quickly as they could.

What's clear to me is that there must be many thousands of people that need treatment, who are not getting it.

Have you had any dealings with a GP recently? From my experience and the hassle I've had, I can see that a lot of people are going to end up with missed diagnoses, and some will inevitably die prematurely as a result.

Very true. CV19 is a mixed curse and blessing. The number of drunken brawls ending up in A&E has reduced considerably. The amount of air pollution has reduced ..both locally and globally. The amount of fossil fuel burnt reduced . So less respiratory complaints
The number of people choosing to attend hospital appointments way way down. I started having problems when walking about 10 weeks ago ....after 200 metres walking , difficulty with breathing, but then belching and being able to continue repeating every 50 metres .. It makes a 5Km walk rather rough. Curiously not so on the bike. . Not at all wishing to have hospital or GP visit. Anyway finally called my GP, ..as soon as my quarantine up, had a phone consultation and sent to local hospital .next day .two potential diagnosis. Heart obviously and maybe gut hernia or both Triaged in 20 minutes, 2 hour wait in A&E ,then ECG ,bloods , kept overnight on heart monitor, more ECGs .then released(I wasn't expecting that) The assumption is that I won't keel over in the next short while. More heart tests next week. Meanwhile the gut medication prescribed seems to be reducing the tightness in the chest