Brexit, for once some facts.

Barry Shittpeas

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Looks like you were too late getting your evidence to court.
Pointless, the prosecution had a hostile witness (Ireland) to deal with. Ireland didn’t want to win and receive the eleven billion, its more lucrative for them to set up a tax scam with Apple and rake it in that way and to the cost of their EU “partners”.
 

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Pointless, the prosecution had a hostile witness (Ireland) to deal with. Ireland didn’t want to win and receive the eleven billion, its more lucrative for them to set up a tax scam with Apple and rake it in that way and to the cost of their EU “partners”.
lets see now, if the UK had set up such a scheme, and it was proved to be legally sound, then it would have been seen for what it was .. sound financial management. Note Ireland was not a hostile witness. It was basically a defendent. Ireland had made its position clear a number of years ago, they were very sure that what was being done was legal and in conformance with EU law. It would have been very nice to have had the money credited to our balance sheet, and many in the Irish Parliament would have wished us to lose by putting up a feeble defence and hence gain the money . However long term integrity is at stake.
 

flecc

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Fascinating. I didn't know about it. Dropping barrels of kerosene and incendiary on an environmental disaster seem such a good analogy for what's happening at present.
Edit - 1500 kg of napalm and 44500kg of kerosene before they gave up. It must have been one of graylings ancestors.
I remember it well, it did nothing for the reputation of the RAF at the time, appearing to be unable to destroy even an immobilised merchant ship.
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The government still didn't act for another week (approx.) despite this:

Vallance told the committee that SAGE advised the government to impose lockdown measures “as soon as possible” on the 16 or 18 March.

He said this happened as soon as data showed further restrictions were needed. “Looking back, you can see the data may have preceded that but the data was not available before that.”

Scientists realised in mid-March that “we were further ahead in the epidemic than had been thought”.
 

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The government still didn't act for another week (approx.) despite this:

Vallance told the committee that SAGE advised the government to impose lockdown measures “as soon as possible” on the 16 or 18 March.

He said this happened as soon as data showed further restrictions were needed. “Looking back, you can see the data may have preceded that but the data was not available before that.”

Scientists realised in mid-March that “we were further ahead in the epidemic than had been thought”.
Indeed, and the Sage advice was preceded by the open letter from many scientists on 14 March.

Best reference I can find is
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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If Russia is trying to pilfer Coronavirus vaccine research data, from the U.K., why don’t we create something very dangerous and allow them to steal that? We could develop something which damages DNA or creates other awful side effects, pretend that it’s a secret vaccine and allow Russia to steal it. Seems obvious to me.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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British Gas are forcing their employees to sign a new contract, one which will pay overtime at plain rate as opposed to any form of enhancement. The ***** are using Coronavirus as covering fire. This is going to become increasingly common, especially when we lose EU employment rights. The British worker is facing a harsh future.
 

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If Russia is trying to pilfer Coronavirus vaccine research data, from the U.K., why don’t we create something very dangerous and allow them to steal that? We could develop something which damages DNA or creates other awful side effects, pretend that it’s a secret vaccine and allow Russia to steal it. Seems obvious to me.
Yes, a similar ploy previously worked with the Tu-144.
 

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Barry Shittpeas

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The government still didn't act for another week (approx.) despite this:

Vallance told the committee that SAGE advised the government to impose lockdown measures “as soon as possible” on the 16 or 18 March.

He said this happened as soon as data showed further restrictions were needed. “Looking back, you can see the data may have preceded that but the data was not available before that.”

Scientists realised in mid-March that “we were further ahead in the epidemic than had been thought”.
I can’t accept this. The government said they were following the science at all times. What you are suggesting is tantamount to calling the government a bunch of liars.
 

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The government said they were following the science at all times. What you are suggesting is tantamount to calling the government a bunch of liars.
They were following the science, just a very long way behind.

(That isn't to say they aren't a bunch of liars.)
 

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The Russians are certainly not stupid. (Unlike some of our...)
I am currently reading a book by journalist Luke Harding 'Shadow State' which is all about Russia's remaking of the West under Putin. It's frightening what they have been up to and disheartening seeing how the West have just let them get away with it all.
 
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jonathan.agnew

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Haven’t you twigged yet? They call heads and tails, that way they can never be wrong. Everyone’s doing it, you need to keep up.
I hate giving BBC credit, but think world tonight is right, accusng russia now is all about timing - about distracting the great British public from the publication of the Russia report (that grayling was no doubt supposed to suppress before against all odds julian Lewis, who will publish it, won). It will be interesting to see whether the public buy it. In boris's defence, there must be something really explosive in the report to justify these kind of desperate attempts at preventing it being noticed
 

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In the Telegraph
This one is definitely aimed at the mentally retarded capable of thinking Brexit is a good idea
UK may already have enough herd immunity to prevent second coronavirus wave, study says
Scientists say many people may already be immune to Covid-19 without ever having caught it

Amazing what bunging them a few quid will get some so called "scientists" to say may happen
 

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Someone mentioned firms such as STC and Marconi a few days ago in relation to Huawei, it's often the case (coincidence I know) that subjects discussed here end up in the Newspapers. Here is a section from an article in the Guardian.

"It’s tempting to view the UK’s dilemma about Huawei as an unfortunate consequence of being caught in the crossfire between two superpowers. But in many ways the UK’s predicament can be traced to its own domestic policy failures. When Huawei was founded in the late 1980s, it was the UK – not China – that was a world leader in telecommunication technology. With homegrown firms such as STC, Racal, GEC, Marconi and Ferranti, the UK was second only to the US when it came to telecoms ingenuity. But in the following decades, successive UK governments allowed leading telecoms technology companies to be taken over and sold off to overseas firms. In thrall to free-market orthodoxy, British manufacturing and industry was sacrificed in the interests of the City of London and the financial sector. "

The complete article can be found here.
 

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