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Can he be stopped?
Who knows, Joe Biden is not exactly an inspiring figure that's for sure. I suspect many people are waiting to see who he selects as his running mate, because there is a fair chance that Biden may not carry on for the full 4 year term if he was to win.

I think he might just scrape through because so many people now want anyone but Trump, a bit like Boris and Corbyn. Many people did not want Boris but they wanted Corbyn even less.

BTW I do recall you making a prediction a while back about how well your mate Tommy Robinson was going to do in the EU elections, how did that work out for him?
 
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You're showing your ignorance my good man. These platforms are showing explosive growth. Why? Because all the people banned from Twitter are going there and taking their followers with them. Have you looked at Parler? As I predicted, here's KH just arrived with another million people to sign up:

All the people we joust with are there, so if you want to join in the fun, sign up. You can have real slagging matches there, and nobody throws their rattle out of the pram - much better than Twitter, which is already becoming sterile and boring.
What you are attempting to do is drum up support for yet more of these pyramid schemes of social comms media.. This is why these platforms never actually make real money . The young uns just move on and one, leaving the investors with egg on their face. Remember Bebo?.
 

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Who knows, Joe Biden is not exactly an inspiring figure that's for sure. I suspect many people are waiting to see who he selects as his running mate, because there is a fair chance that Biden may not carry on for the full 4 year term if he was to win.

I think he might just scrape through because so many people now want anyone but Trump, a bit like Boris and Corbyn. Many people did not want Boris but they wanted Corbyn even less.

BTW I do recall you making a prediction a while back about how well your mate Tommy Robinson was going to do in the EU elections, how did that work out for him?
The plan has always been to sneak Hillary in. They want him to last until after the election, then swap due to his ill health, but he's deteriorating so fast, he can't win. All pan B options look very tricky to pull off.
 

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What you are attempting to do is drum up support for yet more of these pyramid schemes of social comms media.. This is why these platforms never actually make real money . The young uns just move on and one, leaving the investors with egg on their face. Remember Bebo?.
I think Parler is more for for serious political discourse than kids to post holiday snaps. Times are changing. If you don't keep up, you get left behind.

FYI and understanding, Twitter ran for 12 years without making a profit. Since it started making a profit, it has been losing accounts at an alarming rate. They've stopped publishing the number of active accounts now, I guess to stop scaring shareholders. All that's without Trump doing anything to interfere. He's still threatening to do something.
 

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There was that Tory MP for Amber Valley, Nigel Mills. He got caught playing Candy Crush Saga on a smart phone whilst looking after the interests of his constituents at a Work & Pensions committee meeting. It was only a brief game which lasted 2 1/2 hours, and he did say that he would TRY not to let it happen again. My point is, perhaps he may be the most knowledgeable person in government regarding the use of smart phones, and maybe he should be leading development of the track & trace app. Barrenness Dildo seems to be making a fuckup, much like she did at talk-talk.
So, in an effort to move away from celebrating Twitter rage and the kind of knobs that celebrate trump, has anyone noticed the increased infection rate in usa? Not so much a second wave as the first wave regaining strength. That and the new outbreak in wuhan and Beijing makes me think a badly mismanaged chaotic uk reducing social distancing is unlikely to escape
 
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The plan has always been to sneak Hillary in. They want him to last until after the election, then swap due to his ill health, but he's deteriorating so fast, he can't win. All pan B options look very tricky to pull off.
Hill - la - ry Is'nt standing for the Presidency this time round, she didn't put her name forward so was not selected.
Great shame that seeing as she got more votes than Trump last time, blame that on the US electoral system that will see Trump returned overwhelming but with the lesser of the vote of course.
 

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I think Parler is more for for serious political discourse than kids to post holiday snaps. Times are changing. If you don't keep up, you get left behind.

FYI and understanding, Twitter ran for 12 years without making a profit. Since it started making a profit, it has been losing accounts at an alarming rate. They've stopped publishing the number of active accounts now, I guess to stop scaring shareholders. All that's without Trump doing anything to interfere. He's still threatening to do something.
You lost me after your second word..
 

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Hill - la - ry Is'nt standing for the Presidency this time round, she didn't put her name forward so was not selected.
Great shame that seeing as she got more votes than Trump last time, blame that on the US electoral system that will see Trump returned overwhelming but with the lesser of the vote of course.
She hasn't put her name forward because she would have been voted out in the primaries. Why do you think that we've ended up with a candidate that doesn't know where he is and can't string a sentence together? Can you give sensible reasons. He has absolutely no chance of going toe to toe against Trump in the debates. I feel truly sorry for the bloke. Our only chance is keep him in the basement and try to prolong the virus narrative, but that conflicts with the narrative for the protests. Hillary will be parachuted in at the last moment to exploit the surprise factor.
 

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She hasn't put her name forward because she would have been voted out in the primaries. Why do you think that we've ended up with a candidate that doesn't know where he is and can't string a sentence together? Can you give sensible reasons. He has absolutely no chance of going toe to toe against Trump in the debates. I feel truly sorry for the bloke. Our only chance is keep him in the basement and try to prolong the virus narrative, but that conflicts with the narrative for the protests. Hillary will be parachuted in at the last moment to exploit the surprise factor.
I agree with you absolutely vfr she would have got her backside kicked. Still when Trump gets in again which he will of course because there are more white people than black in the US, then what ? The US is slowly swirling down the plughole anyway and Trump is helping it flow with his own kind of sink plunger.
China will kick the US off of the number spot soon enough with a little help from us who buy all the bike parts we can get and are grateful for it. America are busy tying themselves up in knots desperate to get to Mars first, only to find a Bafang factory up and running by the time Tesla get there. If you don't like the US vote Trump this time round, you know it makes sense.
 

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Who would have thought it? the Government lied to us about the number of Covid deaths
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/19/over-1000-deaths-day-uk-ministers-accused-downplaying-covid-19-peak?CMP=share_btn_tw
Nearly 1,500 deaths in one day: UK ministers accused of downplaying Covid-19 peak
Official toll passed a thousand on 22 consecutive days – far more than daily briefings said
That's dishonest of the Guardian, at that time the government were only announcing hospital deaths and said as much at the briefings. Even now it's impossible to report all deaths day by day.

It was taking too long to collect in all the other sources, Care Homes, Private Homes, Hospices and elswhere, to be able to include them on anything like the same day, so they published the delayed numbers later in inclusive graphs and charts available online.

The staffs in the affected places were under extreme pressure at peak infection times and collating numbers and making returns were hardly a priority. As a result some returns were very late with weeks of delay before they were available to be included. The earlier the death, the more likely it would be subject to reporting delay with even some hospitals making very late returns originally.

Numbers weren't being hidden, below for example is London's proportions of all deaths by location up to the 5th of June. The reporting delays mean the latest date cannot be closer:

 

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That's dishonest of the Guardian
the ONS had the data, UK government did not want ONS to show the weekly death figures compared to the previous 5 years' average. ONS publish now these figures every Tuesday morning.
We all suspected that the real figure is at least one third more than hospital figure because news reports from Italy said so at the time.
I reckon Cummings knew all along. He and BJ disappeared for a while when CV hit hard in April.
 
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flecc

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the ONS had the data, UK government did not want them to show the weekly death figures compared to the previous 5 years' average.
We all suspected that the real figure is at least one third more than hospital figure because news reports from Italy said so at the time.
I reckon Cummings knew all along. He and BJ disappeared for a while when CV hit hard in April.
But that Guardian report is from yesterday, so just muck raking from history.

From about April 24th all the information was available after it finally came in and the government were not hiding that the hospital deaths were only a proportion, saying it was hospital deaths every day.

74% to date for London for example, as I showed above, so easy to calculate the deaths outside of hospitals and nothing hidden.
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That's dishonest of the Guardian, at that time the government were only announcing hospital deaths and said as much at the briefings. Even now it's impossible to report all deaths day by day.

It was taking too long to collect in all the other sources, Care Homes, Private Homes, Hospices and elswhere, to be able to include them on anything like the same day, so they published the delayed numbers later in inclusive graphs and charts available online.

The staffs in the affected places were under extreme pressure at peak infection times and collating numbers and making returns were hardly a priority. As a result some returns were very late with weeks of delay before they were available to be included. The earlier the death, the more likely it would be subject to reporting delay with even some hospitals making very late returns originally.

Numbers weren't being hidden, below for example is London's proportions of all deaths by location up to the 5th of June. The reporting delays mean the latest date cannot be closer:

Flecc, I must disagree. Of course there are more important things to do by front line staff than collate numbers ,..which is why there are telephones and backroom staff. There are still likely people who have died with CV19 a major contributor, who have not been tested, and who may or may not have pathology samples available.
What happened in Ireland was that all deaths notified were flagged up on the day they were notified. Then they were reallocated to the days on which they occurred so the picture of disease progression was maintained as accurately as possible. It was this practice which allowed the people have trust in the State. Now the UK is only 10 times larger, but has at least 10 times the office resources.
Our failure in Ireland was that nearly half the fatalities were in care homes..which we believed were safe behind a lockdown
 

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