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Barry Shittpeas

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But the fact that it's prompted you to post as you've done and got others discussing it proves it was the right action.

Nothing before had worked against our establishment, this did.
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It’s actually making me feel hostility, whereas prior to the weekend, there was none. I’m sure that I’m not the only one feeling this way.
 

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BJ has once again achieved something world beating. The UK is likely to suffer the worst damage from the Covid-19 crisis of any country in the developed world, according to a report by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.

 

oldgroaner

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I think the Colston statue did need removing, or more information displaying along side it detailing how barbaric the slave trade was, conditions on the ships, mortality rates etc. Turn it into a symbol of disgrace rather than someone to celebrate. However, it wasn’t for a baying tribal primitive mob to pull it down in such a manner. I think those people need identifying, prosecuting and if found guilty, being used to set an example.
Good idea, we could put up a statue of them Banksy style :D
 
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it’s actually making me feel hostility, whereas prior to the weekend, there was none. I’m sure that I’m not the only one feeling this way.
past similar protests did not produce much change but over a generation, attitude has changed a lot.
When I was little, it was normal for kids to be a little racist. Not now. More white people in this country are concerned with the injustice of it than black people.
 

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It’s actually making me feel hostility, whereas prior to the weekend, there was none. I’m sure that I’m not the only one feeling this way.
But that's good, it's awoken you and millions to something they've been ignoring.

In London we've been trying for at least sixty years to get something done about the large number of truly offensive celebratory statues that we have littering our streets.

But the authorities have ignored all attempts, at most just saying it's history. So you see we have been trying the civilised way many times with never any success.

That is what justifies direct action, when we have leaders who do not even try to represent us.

That direct action which so annoys you has prompted some official removals now like this one, plus a review of all London's statues, so it's done some very real good and no harm whatsoever. In my eyes and those of many others, those Bristol protesters deserve praise for their considerable achievement.
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oldgroaner

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Bullshit.

Ethnic minorities die from coronavirus because that’s the way it rolls. People like me statistically are more at risk because I’m male, thin on top and over 50.
Slight problem with your argument is this,

your personal circumstances reduce the risk you face
Those of the poor do not

Sorry to urinate on your bonfire
(just kidding, as i enjoyed doing so) ;)
 

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Perhaps an Irish view, but certainly very untrue in England. The rebellion against our so called betters in religion, politics and conventional views was well under way during the 18th century and flourished in the 19th. Remember we had to invent a police force in consequence.



But as reprehensible as that may be, it's the people's choice, not that of their "betters".
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No.. flecc not an Irish view. Very much a world view. How otherwise can you explain millions of young Edwardian men climbing out of trenches into machine gun fire?. Or the Dreyfus affair in France, or the lobotomies in the USA. A recent history identified the last century as" The People's Century " in that it was only then that universal suffrage started to become normalised.
 

jonathan.agnew

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Bullshit.

Ethnic minorities die from coronavirus because that’s the way it rolls. People like me statistically are more at risk because I’m male, thin on top and over 50.
That's entitled bullshit. I'm Male, thin on top and over 50. But I'm not doing fifty deliveries a day. Nor stacking shelves in Tesco and talking to hundreds of contaminated customers. It's easy for me to isolate, I have the resources (as for most on this thread I suspect)
 

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I don’t think anyone gives a shite about children catching Coronavirus, as the paper points out, they are extremely likely to have no, or very mild symptoms.

Young people have behaved appallingly throughout the Coronavirus disruption. They have no regard for anyone except themselves. They meet in groups, do not social distance, have created small mountains of litter and broken glass, make no attempt to separate 2m from other people out and about. They are absolutely not up to the job and are a total disgrace.

I say keep the schools closed, they won’t adhere to any safety measures and will infect teachers. Then they carry the virus into the family unit and take Fat Dad, granny and grand dad out with their reckless behaviour. ****’em

The kids that were going to do well will still do well, and the wasters will still fail.
I bet you were a right sod when you were a kid Barry, I bet you pulled the legs off of spiders and cut worms in half so they wouldn't be lonely.
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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But that's good, it's awoken you and millions to something they've been ignoring.

In London we've been trying for at least sixty years to get something done about the large number of truly offensive celebratory statues that we have littering our streets.

But the authorities have ignored all attempts, at most just saying it's history. So you see we have been trying the civilised way many times with never any success.

That is what justifies direct action, when we have leaders who do not even try to represent us.

That direct action which so annoys you has prompted some offcial removals now like this one, plus a review of all London's statues, so it's done some very real good and no harm whatsoever. In my eyes and those of many others, those Bristol protesters deserve praise for their considerable achievement.
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I would wager that if there was a nationwide poll concerning the removal of statues, it would return a majority in favour of leaving them in place, perhaps with additional information boards for ones such as the Bristol statue.
 

RossG

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hospital treatment waiting list is growing at alarming rate. 10 millions by the end of the year.
Millions are going to die indirectly before their time because we did not learn the way Chinese and South Koreans deal with COVID. They put up specialised hospital for COVID so not to disrupt normal hospitals. We cleared the beds from our normal hospitals, making a scarce resource scarcer still and the 5 million queue becomes soon a 10 million one.
If you have cancer or heart problem, what are you going to do?
Let's remember also Woosh some of those seniors cleared from Hospitals were placed in care homes where the authorities running them were told to take people in or whistle bye bye to your grant. Look what happened as a result.
 
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flecc

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No.. flecc not an Irish view. Very much a world view. How otherwise can you explain millions of young Edwardian men climbing out of trenches into machine gun fire?. Or the Dreyfus affair in France, or the lobotomies in the USA. A recent history identified the last century as" The People's Century " in that it was only then that universal suffrage started to become normalised.
Of course those happened, but I wasn't speaking of universal suffrage or the rest of the world, only England

As I posted there was considerable rebellion against the establishment and their views through the 18th and 19th centuries. Indeed it is is even spoken of as the start of the steep decline in religious belief and since the C of E and politics were synonymous then, that of civil obedience too.

Of course David Strauss, Karl Marx and Albert Einstein didn't exactly help the establishment against that movement.
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Barry Shittpeas

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That's entitled bullshit. I'm Male, thin on top and over 50. But I'm not doing fifty deliveries a day. Nor stacking shelves in Tesco and talking to hundreds of contaminated customers. It's easy for me to isolate, I have the resources (as for most on this thread I suspect)
..........and I we don't jump around in the streets crammed together in packs committing acts of criminal damage. That will be the next sob story, when they've given each other coronavirus as a result of their recklessness at the weekend. Those taking part clearly weren't concerned by their vulnerability to the disease.
 

flecc

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I would wager that if there was a nationwide poll concerning the removal of statues, it would return a majority in favour of leaving them in place, perhaps with additional information boards for ones such as the Bristol statue.
Irrelevant though. I spoke of London statues, Bristol have spoken of theirs. I doubt the nation as a whole cares an iota about statues elsewhere or having the actions of the incumbents displayed.
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Barry Shittpeas

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I bet you were a right sod when you were a kid Barry, I bet you pulled the legs off of spiders and cut worms in half so they wouldn't be lonely.
I've never been cruel, we always had lots of animals at home. My grand parents who lived in the same village had a farm, it wasn't a working farm, they just lived there after it had closed down. They had five donkeys, some of which used to wander around the house, loved it there.

Always worked hard at school, academic success didn't come easy to me, I had to work for it, some kids just had it without trying. I have my dad to thank for making me work hard, if it wasn't for him I'd have been at the farm all the time.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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Irrelevant though. I spoke of London statues, Bristol have spoken of theirs. I doubt the nation as a whole cares an iota about statues elsewhere or having the actions of the incumbents displayed.
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I think the people of Bristol would not have wanted what happened at the weekend.
 

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