I am sure many will agree with you that's one solution but at the end of the day, nothing was done about it for years.
The City of Bristol should pursue the case as a civil damage to recover the cost of sorting that out, not a criminal issue.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The City of Bristol should pursue the case as a civil damage to recover the cost of sorting that out, not a criminal issue.
I disagree, the bad behaviour is that of our ruling classes. When they show such a lack of sensitivity as to leave such statues in place, the people need to educate them in a way that finally shocks them into better practices. Not to do so is the very compliance I've just been mentioning, approving of our rulers abusing us.
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This goes much deeper, it's a long term problem rather than than way anyone dealt with Covid-19 much later.
Long before Covid from 2013 to 2017, South Korea increased its hospital beds per thousand people from 10.92 to 12.7.
In the same period the UK DECREASED its from 2.78 to 2.54.
One fifth of South Korea's!
It was similar for ICUs. Political irresponsibility.
Lines 2 and 35 on this linked to chart refer.
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It’s criminal damage and that is what those who pulled the statue down should face.
Colston was involved in some of the worst acts against humanity that have ever been committed, I’m not defending him. Not only did he treat farm animals better than the slaves, the ships crew were treated horrendously as well, many were thrown over the side of the ship near the end of the journey so they wouldn’t need paying, thus making more profit. The man was a mass murderer.
I’m not in favour of deleting history as favoured by that baying tribal mob we saw at the weekend or by The Clown Prince. Slavery and the other things are what people who are now dead did many years ago. We can’t alter that, let’s remember history for what it was and what people like Colston did. We shouldn’t be pandering to mob rule, that Colston statue needs to go back on a taller plinth with floodlights as an act of defiance against the idiots from last weekend. Then, consideration can be given as to how best tell the Colston story truthfully.
Crumbs, that's a flashback to adolescence, the eighties and for some reason miami vice (that had the same sound signature, big hair and melodrama), and Reagan and Thatcher. Looking back I can't help thinking the 80s was a really tacky tasteless meaningless decadeI am not so sure about that
Jesus Christ, I’ve just heard that the TV programme Little Britain has been deleted from history now.
This is getting out of hand.
This is getting out of hand.
I don't think so.
No Court is going to jail those who dumped Colston's statue in the Avon.
How would you like it if everyone white faced and parodied typical boris voting tory twats?
It’s criminal damage. It fits the definition of criminal damage.
The problem with caricature and stereotyping, either way, is that it avoids thinking. About actual deprivation (theres reasons ethnic minorities die more from covid)
They won't get any real punishment, nor should they. The defence is provocation, which is most certainly what that statue was.
The guilty tribal mob are those emanating from Eton, Harrow and Roedean, who over centuries and still have supported such as Colston and delighted in making their money from his vile practices.[/QUOTE]
We've had centuries for consideration with no acceptable conclusion, time to put this to bed. No statue is necessary anywhere, but if it's to be recovered, as history at least put it in a museum, preferably mounted upside down as a mark of our contempt for him.
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"We peasants have come a long way since then, putting two fingers up to religion and no longer so compliant, much to the distress of our leaders..."
Only since about 1900 did listening to our betters start to go out of Vogue.. But of course we have now enslaved ourselves to political orthodoxy, groupthink, fashion , and political correctness,not to mention the newer myths and Gods of celebrity and Sport.
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Inmmaterial. Punishing them severely will only provoke more extreme behaviour. In any case if it got promoted to a jury trial they'd probably be acquitted.
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ripping out a police fence at a demo is criminal damage.
ripping out a statue of someone who committed crimes against humanity isn't. It's just a piece of furniture and an eyesore.
Hell, I must be getting soft, but again I find myself agreeing with you again. There was an article by a Prof. In Scotland a few days ago. .The colour of the Ace of Spades , his view was that ,we should retain the statues and the History they represent, and put proper plaques describing the context, the crimes and values they lived by. His major point being that in another hundred years all the current context will be totally forgotten .. Floyd who?.
Perhaps an Irish view, but certainly very untrue in England. The rebellion against our so called betters in religion, politics and conventional views was well under way during the 18th century and flourished in the 19th. Remember we had to invent a police force in consequence.
But as reprehensible as that may be, it's the people's choice, not that of their "betters".
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Bullshit.
Ethnic minorities die from coronavirus because that’s the way it rolls. People like me statistically are more at risk because I’m male, thin on top and over 50.
Floyds name being forgotten will no more matter than our not knowing the names of all our slaves. The professor is wrong, just as the Zionists are wrong with their nagging "Lest we forget" mantra.
We never forget.
We still witter on about Cleopatra, the Roman empire, their invasion and Boudica. And about 1066 and all that. About Joan of Arc, The Crusades, Napoleon, Crimea, Florence Nightingale, the Charge of the Light Brigade, the Ottomans, the Boers, the Somme, Dunkirk, the Blitz, D Day, the Holocaust, the Falklands War.
We just never let anything go. The history is enough, no statues or memorials are needed.
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Agreed, all that needs to be done is correct the history. The statue was placed to celebrate a great man. The suggestion that he was a great man is a lie and he must be described for exactly what he was, a man who was at ease with killing and making others suffer for his own profit. The more he killed and the more suffering he caused, the richer he became. That’s the kind of man he was, not a great man at all. His deeds should and must be remembered and an appropriately inscribed statue would do that, or mount it inverted as flecc described. I don’t like the mob rule of last weekend and that’s why I think the statue should be reinstated.
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