Brexit, for once some facts.

[Nev]

It’s interesting that there are suggestions that people from deprived areas are disproportionately dying from Coronavirus.

Certainly from what I see when I go to my nearest town, it seems to be the shitheads from the crap end of town who are totally disregarding the social distancing measures. Large gatherings, groups drinking together and kids playing with each other. It’s not hard to work it out.

That will be part of the reason I am sure. I would imagine there are many other reasons too. People from deprived areas generally have poorer health (die many years sooner) than people from wealthier areas. They are also more likely to live in over crowded accommodation. Probably likely to be employed in jobs that involve a lot of contact with other people, things like care assistant in nursing homes, check out people in super markets, bus drivers etc. These kinds of jobs are not ones that can be done from home so they will have had to work right through all this.

 

[oldgroaner]

It’s interesting that there are suggestions that people from deprived areas are disproportionately dying from Coronavirus.

Certainly from what I see when I go to my nearest town, it seems to be the shitheads from the crap end of town who are totally disregarding the social distancing measures. Large gatherings, groups drinking together and kids playing with each other. It’s not hard to work it out.

Tuck your blue shirt in, it's hanging out at the back again

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Tuck your blue shirt in, it's hanging out at the back again

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[oldgroaner]

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Come on now, you're not trying to join in the spirit of gag are you?

 

[Woosh]

why do I believe CV is man made?

SARS-COV-2 has 3 remarkable features:

- 96% of the genome of SARS-COV-2 is identical to bat's RaTG13
- RBD of SARS-COV-2 is identical to pangolin SARS-COV-1's RBD
- SARS-COV-2 has a polybasic cleavage site.

It's a small block of 12 nucleotides that is located between S1 and S2 of the spike protein. Its job is to facilitate the virus' entry into the cell.
it's possible that this block is a result of human ingenuity.

Neither the bat betacoronaviruses nor the pangolin betacoronaviruses sampled thus far have polybasic cleavage sites.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

 

[oldgroaner]

It’s interesting that there are suggestions that people from deprived areas are disproportionately dying from Coronavirus.

Certainly from what I see when I go to my nearest town, it seems to be the shitheads from the crap end of town who are totally disregarding the social distancing measures. Large gatherings, groups drinking together and kids playing with each other. It’s not hard to work it out.

Interestingly they are behaving very much like the people from middle class areas too, only they tend to make fools of themselves on Footpaths away from the housing areas where they think they are unlikely to be spotted

 

[oldgroaner]

why do I believe CV is man made?

SARS-COV-2 has 3 remarkable features:

- 96% of the genome of SARS-COV-2 is identical to bat's RaTG13
- RBD of SARS-COV-2 is identical to pangolin's RBD
- SARS-COV-2 has a polybasic cleavage site.

It's a small block of 12 nucleotides that is located between S1 and S2 of the spike protein. It's job is to facilitate the virus' entry into the cell.
it's possible that this block is a result of human ingenuity.


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

Hmm, how was this manipulation engineered? or was it just a "lucky" side effect of an entirely unintended nature?

And if that level of technology is available, it would seem odd if means of countering the virus was not at the same time.

After all as a weapon it can only be successful against nations not sophisticated enough to be able to mount a find, isolate and effectively kill it regime.
And against such a nation should theoretically only work as a weapon of surprise that will only have a major effect once.

And as we have noted in some countries that were forewarned , well equipped and acted promptly the effect was not critical.

In other words since none of those parameters apply to this country we re going to be forever in trouble till a vaccine shows up, or we get rid of these brainless politicians we suffer at the moment

 

[wheeler]

Am I allowed to drive 30 miles to get to a B&Q?

And when I get there, can I buy anything they have in stock? Or does at least one item have to be classed as essential?

Am I allowed to drive 30 miles to get to a B&Q?

And when I get there, can I buy anything they have in stock? Or does at least one item have to be classed as essential?

Yes you can, it's up to you. If the shop is permitted to be open you can buy anything it has for sale. This is what made the police look foolish when they were reportedly looking in people's shopping baskets and passing judgement on the contents

The Scottish legislation says you can leave the home:
"to obtain basic necessities, including food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including any pets or animals in the household) or for a vulnerable person and supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household or the household of a vulnerable person, or to obtain money" and I don't suppose the Welsh version differs much.

There is no definition of "basic necessities" or list of essential items so it's up to you to decide what you consider them to be.

If you have to buy an X-box to stop the kids going bonkers then that could be considered as being a "basic necessity" for the"functioning of the household".

 

[oldgroaner]

Another headache for the Brexiteers
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/brexit-bombshell-american-eu-business-lobby-blows-hole-in-johnsons-brexit-plan/

 

[RossG]

I think I'm right in saying what defines the right to open a store or shop is not only the necessity of it's products but it's ability to achieve social distancing in store. It's easier for large places like B&Q what with self-service etc. but not so easy with say a garden centre. They may have plenty of open ground with fruit trees and shrubs growing, but in most instances small narrow checkouts where it's not too easy to keep people separated.
The problem though is some garden centres are massive with lots of room to play with but they are all tarred with the same brush unfortunately. I do wonder who's watering the marrows if no ones at home ?
Come to think about it what about the ubiquitous corner shop, no room to swing a cat normally so how the heck can you practice social distancing yet they can open.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

There was an interesting article on the wireless this evening. An retired employee from Porton Down phoned in. His area of speciality was virus transmission through air. He is convinced from the independent study he has performed that Coronavirus is much more contagious than we are being led to believe. Just being near someone with it is enough for it to be passed on.

My niece who is a doctor in Cardiff has told me that the biggest source of Covid outbreaks is now on the non-Covid ward. They had an entire bay of 9 test positive, they were moved to the Covid wards and the bay was sterilised. The next 9 to move in all tested positive within 5 days. In addition to sterilising the bays, they are now using high power UV emitters to try and kill it, but it seems to live in the humidity of the general atmosphere, once established.

The thought of going back to a work environment would scare the **** out of me, especially an office or other enclosed indoor environment. That's probably why they are playing down the infectiousness of the disease, I don't think anyone would return to work if they knew the truth.

 

[Woosh]

Hmm, how was this manipulation engineered? or was it just a "lucky" side effect of an entirely unintended nature?

And if that level of technology is available, it would seem odd if means of countering the virus was not at the same time.

There are just too many coincidences making CV such a clever virus. It is without doubt 'optimised' for high R0. WHO gave it (basic reproductive number) 2.0-2.5, SARS 1.7-1.9 and MERS <1.
if you google 'polybasic cleavage sites', there are a lot of studies showing that they boost the virulence of the virus.
Because there is no backbone residue of commonly used virus vectors, I think it is more likely it was done using gene editing technology.

 

[RossG]

I've always thought it can drift around over great distances. Sometimes I might be walking along the road and suddenly smell cigarette smoke but there's nobody around me, then I look ahead and maybe a hundred yards along the road I spot someone taking a drag on a fag. All that way away and I can still smell it, so if it can travel that far surely a virus could too.

 

[RossG]

Polybasic cleavage sites ? That's a Boob job isn't it.

 

[soundwave]

my small local shop is raking in the cash stock pilled high and selling fast all day long but the shop is about 4m long and 4m wide so a line of 4-6 ppl is at the back of the shop like beans in a can.

staff have masks and gloves and made a hatch out of plastic for the counter and i have seen only one person wearing a mask since lock down.

yet no one is dropping down dead on mass because of this round here and far from it as no one cares anymore.

how can you answer that not even 200 ppl have died in Gloucester why the hospital is empty.

if this is a man made bio weapon from china it is really crap at killing ppl on mass.

so if the avg of 1400 ppl die per day in the uk anyway,ons, why are the numbers so low?

why cant the avg deaths of cov 19 top that number and be sustained to 6k per day for 2 weeks plus the 1400 that would die anyway on avg on top of that.

if you test positive for cov19 you now have died from it on the death cert.

id go for the t virus next time i got a katana sat here doing bugger all and could go chopping zombies heads of for a day job

and a microwave can kill you, just add more power!

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I've always thought it can drift around over great distances. Sometimes I might be walking along the road and suddenly smell cigarette smoke but there's nobody around me, then I look ahead and maybe a hundred yards along the road I spot someone taking a drag on a fag. All that way away and I can still smell it, so if it can travel that far surely a virus could too.

We don’t know the concentration level needed to infect. It could be so minute that what you suggest is possible.

It’s the BS and the consecutive advice U turns which makes me uneasy. I just wish they would spell out what we are dealing with, that way you can plan and try to work around it.

From an early stage I’ve assured everyone and everything is infected with Coronavirus. Once you get into a routine and have procedures set up, it’s not too difficult to adjust how you live. There are some pluses to these restrictions which balance out some of the negatives. I feel sorry for and worry about people who have no choice but to go to work knowing they are risking their own and their families health. That must be terrible for them.

 

[soundwave]

 

[RossG]

We don’t know the concentration level needed to infect. It could be so minute that what you suggest is possible.

It’s the BS and the consecutive advice U turns which makes me uneasy. I just wish they would spell out what we are dealing with, that way you can plan and try to work around it.

From an early stage I’ve assured everyone and everything is infected with Coronavirus. Once you get into a routine and have procedures set up, it’s not too difficult to adjust how you live. There are some pluses to these restrictions which balance out some of the negatives. I feel sorry for and worry about people who have no choice but to go to work knowing they are risking their own and their families health. That must be terrible for them.

Those that work on the front line as it were, and I'm thinking Bus drivers or store checkout staff just seem to shrug it off and get on with it. Others question is it worth the risk take the 20% pay cut and stay at home.
Maybe I'm a coward but I wouldn't work if I felt I was constantly exposed to any sort of hidden danger, memories of those dreadful asbestos days spring to mind.

 

[soundwave]

Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

It was suggested at the recent Work and Pensions Committee virtual meeting that UC and or JCP staff had the ability to manually stop or pause deductions of UC Advance Payments from claimants UC payments. Please provide details of the internal operational processes that are followed to pause the AP deductions, who follows them with their Job Titles and copies of screenshots that show what parts of the UC system are used to implement the pause. Together with copies of internal guidance and policies on these matters.

Is it possible to pause AP deductions for more than 3 months? Noting:

"You can ask for your repayments to be delayed for up to 3 months if you can’t afford them. This is only allowed in exceptional circumstances."
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/universal-cr...

What are the "exceptional circumstances"?

Accept covid19 crisis and redeployment of DWP staff and resources, means the DWP will need more time to respond to this information request.

Yours faithfully,

Frank Zola

Pausing Advance Payment deductions from UC - a Freedom of Information request to Department for Work and Pensions

It was suggested at the recent Work and Pensions Committee virtual meeting that UC and or JCP staff had the ability to manually stop or pause deductions of UC Advance Payments from claimants UC payments. Please provide details of the internal operational processes that are followed to pause the...

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lmfao

 

[Woosh]

Polybasic cleavage sites ? That's a Boob job isn't it.

polybasic cleavage site on the spike protein could have been inspired by work done on HPAIV (highly pathogenic avian influenza virus) in the early noughties. German labs did a lot of work on the potential of pandemic caused by avian flu.