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flecc

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01/05/2020​
Country2018 populationTotal casesDeathsDeaths / cases %Cases / pop %Death/pop %
England
55,977,178​
118,343​
24,110​
20.4%​
0.21%​
0.043%​
Northern Ireland
1,881,641​
3,536​
338​
9.6%​
0.19%​
0.018%​
Scotland
5,438,100​
11,353​
1415​
12.5%​
0.21%​
0.026%​
Wales
3,138,631​
9,812​
908​
9.3%​
0.31%​
0.029%​
66,435,550​
143,044​
26,771​
18.7%​
0.22%​
0.040%​
Sunday
26/04/2020​
Country2018 populationTotal casesDeathsDeaths / cases %Cases / pop %Death/pop %
England
55,977,178​
110,203​
18,419​
16.7%​
0.20%​
0.033%​
Northern Ireland
1,881,641​
3,308​
294​
8.9%​
0.18%​
0.016%​
Scotland
5,438,100​
10,324​
1231​
11.9%​
0.19%​
0.023%​
Wales
3,138,631​
9,078​
788​
8.7%​
0.29%​
0.025%​
66,435,550​
132,913​
20,732​
15.6%​
0.20%​
0.031%​
The English should start committing some offences for their personal safety.

The death rate among prisoners is only 0.22%, virtually half that scary 0.43% for England and even higher in London.
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The DIY stores aren't waiting for the government to ease Lockdown, all the larger ones are re-opening this weekend, which they can do legally.

I can see the garden centres kicking up about this since they both sell similar products.
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I wonder if any business has been nicked for opening illegally ? Stores selling agricultural items can stay open so that would include some of the larger garden centres that sell bigger items like sit-on mowers etc.
 
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Do not pass Go. Absolutely do not even try to collect £200.

Revealed: NHS procurement official privately selling PPE

NHS launches inquiry after Guardian investigation exposes senior official trading protective gear amid pandemic
by Harry Davies and Simon Goodley

Fri 1 May 2020 12.16 BST

A head of procurement for the NHS has set up a business to profit from the private sale of huge quantities of personal protective equipment (PPE) in the midst of the coronavirus outbreak, an undercover investigation by the Guardian can reveal.
David Singleton, 42, a senior NHS official in London who has been working at the capital’s Covid-19 Nightingale hospital, launched the business two weeks ago to trade in visors, masks and gowns.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/01/revealed-nhs-procurement-official-privately-selling-ppe
Spirit of Free Enterprise surfaces again!
 
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Stores selling agricultural items can stay open so that would include some of the larger garden centres that sell bigger items like sit-on mowers etc.
Maybe not if known as garden centres it seems and that is their complaint. I've got a very big Knights one near me that remained open at first but were then ordered to close since all the garden centres were ruled to be non essential. The DIY stores were ruled as essential, but despite that the DIYs closed since they couldn't instantly reorganise for social distancing. It remains to be seen whether they've achieved that now.
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Interesting long article on Independent; doesn't say that much not already covered elsewhere, but ...
We are paying with our lives for austerity and incompetence at the top

It's on Independent Premium. I got a trial for just a few pounds; I think you can register and get one premium article a week?
 
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Maybe not if known as garden centres it seems and that is their complaint. I've got a very big Knights one near me that remained open at first but were then ordered to close since all the garden centres were ruled to be non essential. The DIY stores were ruled as essential, but despite that the DIYs closed since they couldn't instantly reorganise for social distancing. It remains to be seen whether they've achieved that now.
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My local B&Q has been open for some time I gather although oddly it wasn't on their list of open stores. I was told the queues outside were huge as they were only letting so many in at a time, avoids bunching at the checkouts I guess. From what I heard many were driving into the car park then on seeing the queue driving straight back out again.

I'm hearing all sorts of stories of what's happening in my local Tesco regarding customers, apparently many shoppers are just wandering around aimlessly inside picking things up and putting them back on the shelves basically just killing time. Back in the day the elderly would occupy libraries all day long and nod off to sleep, it was something to do and they could keep warm for free. These days Supermarkets & large stores provide a place of.... well sanctuary in a sense. There but for the grace of God go I.
 
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Do not pass Go. Absolutely do not even try to collect £200.

Revealed: NHS procurement official privately selling PPE

NHS launches inquiry after Guardian investigation exposes senior official trading protective gear amid pandemic
by Harry Davies and Simon Goodley

Fri 1 May 2020 12.16 BST

A head of procurement for the NHS has set up a business to profit from the private sale of huge quantities of personal protective equipment (PPE) in the midst of the coronavirus outbreak, an undercover investigation by the Guardian can reveal.
David Singleton, 42, a senior NHS official in London who has been working at the capital’s Covid-19 Nightingale hospital, launched the business two weeks ago to trade in visors, masks and gowns.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/01/revealed-nhs-procurement-official-privately-selling-ppe
Lovely. These times really do bring out the best in people.
 
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The truth is testing!

It transpires that of the 122,000 test achievement announced for yesterday, some 40,000 were only of tests sent out for use.

The number of persons actually tested was 73,000, so Hancock didn't quite reach three quarters of his target.
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1001 Excuses. Number 1: The cheque is in the post.

The government has changed the way it is counting the number of covid-19 tests carried out in a bid to hit its target of 100,000 tests per day by the end of April, HSJ can reveal.
Previously, a test would be counted once the sample had been processed in laboratories. But this definition has been changed in the last few days, a senior source told HSJ.
The Department of Health and Social Care is now including tests that have been posted or delivered to people’s homes in its figures. This means tests which are sent to people are counted before the recipient has provided and returned their sample to a laboratory.
Speaking at today’s press conference, health secretary Matt Hancock said the government had reached its target yesterday after carrying out more than 122,000 tests.
HSJ understands that up to 50,000 of those tests include the dispatch of tests sent to individuals at home.
The number of tests carried out have increased dramatically in the last week. On 23 April just 23,560 tests were carried out.
The source told HSJ that work to achieve the 100,000 tests per day had been “manic” and that the health and social care secretary Matt Hancock was “obsessed” with reaching the target. “They are trying every trick in the book,” the source said.
“They had to get the permanent secretary at DHSC (Chris Wormald) to agree to a change in the counting process.
“We’re now counting a home test as tests which have been sent to people’s homes.”

https://www.hsj.co.uk/quality-and-performance/revealed-how-government-changed-the-rules-to-hit-100000-tests-target/7027544.article
 
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Interesting long article on Independent; doesn't say that much not already covered elsewhere, but ...
We are paying with our lives for austerity and incompetence at the top

It's on Independent Premium. I got a trial for just a few pounds; I think you can register and get one premium article a week?
Two Questions
Do we have to pay now to be tried?
Did they find you guilty?
 
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My local B&Q has been open for some time I gather although oddly it wasn't on their list of open stores. I was told the queues outside were huge as they were only letting so many in at a time, avoids bunching at the checkouts I guess. From what I heard many were driving into the car park then on seeing the queue driving straight back out again.

I'm hearing all sorts of stories of what's happening in my local Tesco regarding customers, apparently many shoppers are just wandering around aimlessly inside picking things up and putting them back on the shelves basically just killing time. Back in the day the elderly would occupy libraries all day long and nod off to sleep, it was something to do and they could keep warm for free. These days Supermarkets & large stores provide a place of.... well sanctuary in a sense. There but for the grace of God go I.
Am I allowed to drive 30 miles to get to a B&Q?

And when I get there, can I buy anything they have in stock? Or does at least one item have to be classed as essential?
 
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1001 Excuses. Number 1: The cheque is in the post.

The government has changed the way it is counting the number of covid-19 tests carried out in a bid to hit its target of 100,000 tests per day by the end of April, HSJ can reveal.
Previously, a test would be counted once the sample had been processed in laboratories. But this definition has been changed in the last few days, a senior source told HSJ.
The Department of Health and Social Care is now including tests that have been posted or delivered to people’s homes in its figures. This means tests which are sent to people are counted before the recipient has provided and returned their sample to a laboratory.
Speaking at today’s press conference, health secretary Matt Hancock said the government had reached its target yesterday after carrying out more than 122,000 tests.
HSJ understands that up to 50,000 of those tests include the dispatch of tests sent to individuals at home.
The number of tests carried out have increased dramatically in the last week. On 23 April just 23,560 tests were carried out.
The source told HSJ that work to achieve the 100,000 tests per day had been “manic” and that the health and social care secretary Matt Hancock was “obsessed” with reaching the target. “They are trying every trick in the book,” the source said.
“They had to get the permanent secretary at DHSC (Chris Wormald) to agree to a change in the counting process.
“We’re now counting a home test as tests which have been sent to people’s homes.”

https://www.hsj.co.uk/quality-and-performance/revealed-how-government-changed-the-rules-to-hit-100000-tests-target/7027544.article
If I may employ for a moment the eloquence of a Soundwave style quote.

FFS they are the Tory party pmsl (Must look that last one up)

And by golly I think he's got it! he's right about them
 
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Am I allowed to drive 30 miles to get to a B&Q?

And when I get there, can I buy anything they have in stock? Or does at least one item have to be classed as essential?
Only if they sell local maps and you want to claim sat nav failure
 

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Two Questions
Do we have to pay now to be tried?
Did they find you guilty?
Well, the legal system is much more likely to find people who pay (for expensive legal representation) not guilty. Maybe simpler in other countries where you pay the judge directly and miss out the middle man.

Of course I can't say if I was guilty, or whether I was found guilty. Sensitive information; a bit like reports on how the country should prepare for epidemics.
 

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When I read this today I had the following ideas what do you all think about the following. The virus could provide an opportunity for some radical thinking when it comes to commuting in large towns and cities.

1. Large towns and cities have a maximum speed limit of 20 mph. This is strictly enforced via lots of speed cameras and the Police.
2. E-bikes are modified legally to assist up to 20 mph. My two e-bikes cut off at 16.8 mph, so it would not mean a massive increase in speed so should not lead to lots more accidents.
3. Cyclists feel a lot safer in busy traffic areas if they can travel along at the same speed as the traffic (which would now be 20 mph).
4. The money generated from vehicles exceeding the 20 mph, is used to improve cycling in towns and cities by things like improved cycle lanes, safe lockable areas to store bikes, perhaps subsidy systems to help buy bikes (assisted or non assisted).

I think the above could lead to the following benefits.

a) More people using bikes both assist and non assist types instead of cars for commuting, therefore leading to less air pollution and less traffic congestion.
b) More people cycling could lead to better health for many people, improved fitness, perhaps weight loss and better mental health.
c) Grants made to companies (from the fine money previously mentioned) to develop or extend manufacturing facilities to build both assist and non assist cycles in the UK.
There is an interesting article here about how cities around the world are planning for life after the virus.
 

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It’s interesting that there are suggestions that people from deprived areas are disproportionately dying from Coronavirus.

Certainly from what I see when I go to my nearest town, it seems to be the shitheads from the crap end of town who are totally disregarding the social distancing measures. Large gatherings, groups drinking together and kids playing with each other. It’s not hard to work it out.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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The truth is testing!

It transpires that of the 122,000 test achievement announced for yesterday, some 40,000 were only of tests sent out for use.

The number of persons actually tested was 73,000, so Hancock didn't quite reach three quarters of his target.
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I think we could possibly forgive them if they deployed a bit of honesty and were a bit more humble about their achievements / lack of achievements. The BS is insulting.
 
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Well, the legal system is much more likely to find people who pay (for expensive legal representation) not guilty. Maybe simpler in other countries where you pay the judge directly and miss out the middle man.

Of course I can't say if I was guilty, or whether I was found guilty. Sensitive information; a bit like reports on how the country should prepare for epidemics.
I'll put you down as "Not proven":cool:
 

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