Brexit, for once some facts.

RossG

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it's true that if a vaccine is found, many lives will be saved.
However, it is not certain that if you or I volunteer to test the vaccine, our contribution would shorten the time it takes to develop a vaccine.
Nice propaganda, propaganda it is nevertheless.
I am all for progress in medicine but I have strong reservation regarding nano technology in medicine.
You dice and slice nucleic acids of viruses - put fragments of them into OUR DNA. I may eat GM food one day but will not knowingly inject bits of viruses inside my body. That's one step too far.
We've all been eating GM food for years only we don't know it, try bread for a start. Canadian flour uses Genetically Modified wheat which we mix with our own stuff, Korea has banned Canadian flour. I bake my own bread using flour from farms I can see the wheat growing in.
 

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i think we should launch every icbm we got at china fookers never sent my psu tester and gave me a £3 refund.

im 8p worse off fkn act of war on its own that is and the postage from china has shot up big time from free to £10-20.? and now have to wait months for it to arrive.

 

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i think we should launch every icbm we got at china fookers never sent my psu tester and gave me a £3 refund.

im 8p worse off fkn act of war on its own that is and the postage from china has shot up big time from free to £10-20.? and now have to wait months for it to arrive.

As soon as this has been decoded let me know immediately, OK?
 

oldgroaner

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In the Telegraph
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Boris Johnson 'raring to go' as he says he will prioritise nation's health
Prime Minister expected to make series of key decisions this week about lifting some lockdown restrictions

In other words what they mean is prioritise nation's economy
 
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oyster

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As so many say, ridiculously too late!


Two weeks' quarantine if travelling to UK under plans for 'second phase' of coronavirus response

Plan would apply to Britons returning and foreigners arriving at airports and ports

Passengers arriving at British airports and ports will be placed in quarantine for up to a fortnight, under plans for the "second phase" of the Government's response to the coronavirus pandemic.
Officials are drawing up a scheme that mirrors the 14-day "stay home" notices currently issued to Singaporean citizens returning to their country from abroad. It could be rolled out as early as next month, and include large fines for those who fail to remain at the address given to authorities as their place of isolation.
The radical plan, being overseen by Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, and Grant Shapps, the Transport Secretary, is intended to stop the transmission of Covid-19 from abroad, when the Government launches its "track and trace" strategy to identify and isolate cases of the virus in the UK. It would apply to both British citizens and those from abroad....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/25/two-weeks-quarantine-travelling-uk/
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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If 20,000 deaths was the "well done" mark, what (dare I ask) were the satisfactory, poor and appalling marks?
I think we will find out in due course. Politicians usually achieve appalling, but on a good day and a bit of luck on their side, they can nudge it up to deliver a poor performance.
 
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On the basis that a lot of people have always thought the government's handling in the appalling (thanks Barry) or worse category, just how bad is it that we can see this headline?

I suspect a lot of people have been in the position of being sceptical and not entirely convinced but reluctantly willing to go along with it. As more and more comes out, belief, trust, support,even bare acceptance, fade.

Public trust plummets in Britain's handling of pandemic, new poll reveals

Doubts focus on failures over testing and whether government acted quickly enough at outset
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/trust-wanes-in-uk-ministers-handling-of-coronavirus-pandemic-poll
 
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Nev

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I suspect a lot of people have been in the position of being sceptical and not entirely convinced but reluctantly willing to go along with it. As more and more comes out, belief, trust, support,even bare acceptance, fade.
I agree, I am sure though that the spin experts in the PMs office have already got a strategy in place. They will blame it all on the fact that while the PM was incapacitated he could not keep an eye on his less able colleagues. Now that he is back however all will be well with the world.

The 80% plus of Tory backing papers will go along with this line, the BBC will be too scared to make much of a challenge to it and so we will just struggle on trying to muddle our way through it all.
 
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On the basis that a lot of people have always thought the governemtn's handling in the appalling (thanks Barry) or worse category, just how bad is it that we can see this headline?

I suspect a lot of people have been in the position of being sceptical and not entirely convinced but reluctantly willing to go along with it. As more and more comes out, belief, trust, support,even bare acceptance, fade.

Public trust plummets in Britain's handling of pandemic, new poll reveals

Doubts focus on failures over testing and whether government acted quickly enough at outset
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/trust-wanes-in-uk-ministers-handling-of-coronavirus-pandemic-poll
It's a measure of the level of stupidity in the average member of the public that they only "doubt" what should be blindingly obvious to all.

It is only fear of change that keeps the public from calling for change following the notion it is better the "Devil you know" than the one you don't.
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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On the basis that a lot of people have always thought the government's handling in the appalling (thanks Barry) or worse category, just how bad is it that we can see this headline?

I suspect a lot of people have been in the position of being sceptical and not entirely convinced but reluctantly willing to go along with it. As more and more comes out, belief, trust, support,even bare acceptance, fade.

Public trust plummets in Britain's handling of pandemic, new poll reveals

Doubts focus on failures over testing and whether government acted quickly enough at outset
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/trust-wanes-in-uk-ministers-handling-of-coronavirus-pandemic-poll
I think Matt Handcock is being fattened for slaughter. Johnson will betray Handcock by shifting all the blame for the UK’s poor performance onto his shoulders and firing him. When in reality, the biggest idiot causing unnecessary death is Johnson himself.

I’m sure he has it all worked out and will probably strike in early May when Handcock fails to deliver the 100000 tests per day. Incidentally, Johnson promised 250000 tests per day, but who ever mentions that? Strange isn’t it.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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PPE anyone? Is it sorted now? I know 36 hours worth of the promised 72 hours worth of supplies arrived from Turkey 3 days late last week. Has that cracked it? The media seem to have lost interest and adopted an, “Are we nearly there yet” attitude towards lockdown. Over a thousand dead in 24 hours and the best they can do is ask when we can go back down the boozer. FFS
 

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I am quite liking Starmer so far. I do have a nagging doubt over why a millionaire barrister is the best person to represent the interests of ordinary working people though. We shall see how he shapes up though.
A millionaire barrister, unless he or she came from a very monied background, would tend to be a smart cookie.
 
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A millionaire barrister, unless he or she came from a very monied background, would tend to be a smart cookie.
He is from a modest background.
Labour has once more an electable PM.

Wiki:

Early life and education
Keir Rodney Starmer was born in Southwark, London, on 2 September 1962[5][6] and grew up in the small town of Oxted in Surrey.[7][8][9] He was one of four children of Josephine (née Baker), a nurse, and Rodney Starmer, a toolmaker.[9][10] His mother had Still's disease.[11][12] His parents were Labour Party supporters, and named him after the party's first parliamentary leader, Keir Hardie.[13] He passed the 11-plus examination and gained entry to Reigate Grammar School,[13] then a voluntary aided state school, although it converted to an independent fee-paying grammar school in 1976 while he was there.[14] In his teenage years Starmer was active in Labour politics, and was a member of the East Surrey Young Socialists.[10][9] He studied law at the University of Leeds, graduating with a first class Bachelor of Laws (LLB) degree in 1985.[15][16] He undertook postgraduate studies at St Edmund Hall, Oxford, graduating from the University of Oxford as a Bachelor of Civil Law (BCL) in 1986.
 

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The good outcome that never was.
We really shouldn't panic about the 20,000 deaths, which is 10,000 per month.

Look on the bright side, even if that stayed fixed, it would take 550 years before we ran out of people. :)
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oyster

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I am quite liking Starmer so far. I do have a nagging doubt over why a millionaire barrister is the best person to represent the interests of ordinary working people though. We shall see how he shapes up though.
The government is actually supposed to look after the interests of all of us.

Their views as to how they can and should achieve that, obviously, can be at variance to others, such as the the opposition! But the current mob are, as the tories always are, chock full of Etonians, etc.
 
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