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Barry Shittpeas

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Just referring back to my earlier post about the neighbour with two paddling pools one being for the kids.
My main reason for mentioning it was not so much that it was a good idea, although it has it's virtues but the drawback being every kid in the neighbourhood would join in therefore social distancing goes out the window.
Normally it's good to have kids all mixing in together but at this moment in time is it advisable ?
Wait until the schools go back. I can’t see any other outcome than kids from 1000 different homes all mixing together passing the virus around before taking it home to mummy, daddy, granny and grandpa.
 

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Wait until the schools go back. I can’t see any other outcome than kids from 1000 different homes all mixing together passing the virus around before taking it home to mummy, daddy, granny and grandpa.
There's talk of halving each class to give social distancing (!), as if that will be possible with kids. Basically every other day at school.

It will have to be by 1st June to give a few weeks learning before the Summer holidays in late July.
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There's talk of halving each class to give social distancing (!), as if that will be possible with kids. Basically every other day at school.

It will have to be by 1st June to give a few weeks learning before the Summer holidays in late July.
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Good luck getting 5 - 10 year olds social distancing. Plus how does a teacher show a child that’s struggling to grasp something, how it’s done? The teacher needs to be in close proximity to be able to understand the issue and to give the explanation. It sounds very dangerous to me.
 
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Face masks yet again: I got hold of an FFP3 mask this afternoon. This is the mask that people want and is recommended by WHO. I have seen medical staff in hospitals wearing them too. The mask has a one way valve, so when you exhale, the breath passes straight through the valve, totally unfiltered. I can’t see how this type of mask can be of any benefit to people in proximity of the wearer. Any protection has to be confined to the person wearing the mask. This is the polar opposite of what the government and “the science” is telling us. This is more evidence to reinforce my suspicion that all the information being fed to us regarding face masks is BS.
 
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Face masks yet again: I got hold of an FFP3 mask this afternoon. This is the sought after mask that people want. It has a valve, so when you exhale, the breath passes through the valve, unfiltered. I can’t see how this mask type is of any benefit to people in proximity of the wearer, which we are told by the government, is supposed to be the reason for putting one on.
It's in line with Government policy (led by Science etc.,etc.)

Theoretically it only allows you to infect the other person and not make a "Boris" of yourself ?

Thus reducing the risk factor from ....let me see... is 69.5 million people divided by two, something Boris can instruct the Daily Express and Mail to write off as
"Collateral damage not worth delaying the lockdown or Holy No Deal Brexit for, as we are all going to get it anyway, much quicker than we can put in place a test and trace regime"
 
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It's in line with Government policy (led by Science etc.,etc.)
Brian Cox on Marr's show:

“If you hear a politician say ‘We’re following the science’ then what that means is they don’t really understand what science is.”
 

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It's in line with Government policy (led by Science etc.,etc.)
I’m convinced “the science” is something like this:

The government say to the scientists, we have X supplies of medical equipment and £Y to spend. Forget best practices, it’s too late for that. So, what does the science say we can do in these circumstances. Hey-presto, we are being guided by “the science”.
 

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'Led by the science' reminds me of a very bright but not very academic friend revising BA finals from Ladybird Book of Archaeology. (I'm afraid she just got a Pass degree). Trouble is the equivalent Ladybird Book of Medicine (or whatever there is) might be a bit advanced for our government.
 

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Face masks yet again: I got hold of an FFP3 mask this afternoon. This is the mask that people want and is recommended by WHO. I have seen medical staff in hospitals wearing them. It has a valve, so when you exhale, the breath passes through the valve, unfiltered. I can’t see how this mask type is of any benefit to people in proximity of the wearer, which we are told by the government, is supposed to be the reason for putting one on.
I've always used that type Barry when I'm cutting/grinding etc. highly recommended this way. A couple of tips, as always with facemasks they get a bit damp inside if you wear them a while so when you remove them give them a quick dab with a tissue to dry them out a bit. What I usually do as well is give them a short spray with Dettol (other disinfectants are available) inside and out, not a soaking just a quick blast to keep them fresh.
Also you can wash those FFP3 types, they don't fall apart so they last a long time.
 
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Disability and loneliness
More than a third of disabled adults say they spent too much time alone since the coronavirus (COVID-19) lockdown, compared with a fifth of non-disabled adults.

Analysis conducted after lockdown was introduced on 23 March has revealed the social impact of the pandemic.

The data also showed that more than twice as many disabled adults (8.3%) as non-disabled adults (3.6%) said they often or always felt lonely.



Disabled adults were more likely to report spending too much time alone in the last 7 days than non-disabled adults
Great Britain, 3 April 2020 to 13 April 2020


what about if you go out side ill get cov19 and ill die pmsl.

i have no food so will starve to death lol.

DWP forced to admit more than 111,000 benefit deaths


the dwp will kick the cov19 ass the gov do not give a shite about us we are just here to wipe there ass and be grateful you have a job at all.
 
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Disability and loneliness
More than a third of disabled adults say they spent too much time alone since the coronavirus (COVID-19) lockdown, compared with a fifth of non-disabled adults.

Analysis conducted after lockdown was introduced on 23 March has revealed the social impact of the pandemic.

The data also showed that more than twice as many disabled adults (8.3%) as non-disabled adults (3.6%) said they often or always felt lonely.



Disabled adults were more likely to report spending too much time alone in the last 7 days than non-disabled adults
Great Britain, 3 April 2020 to 13 April 2020


what about if you go out side ill get cov19 and ill die pmsl.

i have no food so will starve to death lol.

DWP forced to admit more than 111,000 benefit deaths


the dwp will kick the cov19 ass the gov do not give a shite about us we are just here to wipe there ass and be grateful you have a job at all.
Has anyone seen the decrypt of his last message yet?
 

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The grinning skull appears in the Telegraph this morning
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/25/sweden-succeeds-lockdownswill-have-nothing/
If Sweden succeeds, lockdowns will all have been for nothing

for nothing eh?
FYI, Sweden's death rate is currently 214 per million population. Norway is 37 per million. Denmark is 72 per million. Germany is 71 per million. And the UK is 305 per million.

They FAILED nearly as badly as we have by locking down too late!
 

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Monday April 27th 2020; The usual Tory Rags are surprisingly low key about "The second Coming: Boris strikes back"
I wonder when the Boris cult started to run out of steam for them?
Not a good start Boris!
 

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I’m convinced “the science” is something like this:

The government say to the scientists, we have X supplies of medical equipment and £Y to spend. Forget best practices, it’s too late for that. So, what does the science say we can do in these circumstances. Hey-presto, we are being guided by “the science”.
It's a form of "Domestic Science...AKA Cookery......specifically , Book Cooking.... :cool:
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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The grinning skull appears in the Telegraph this morning
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/25/sweden-succeeds-lockdownswill-have-nothing/
If Sweden succeeds, lockdowns will all have been for nothing

for nothing eh?
FYI, Sweden's death rate is currently 214 per million population. Norway is 37 per million. Denmark is 72 per million. Germany is 71 per million. And the UK is 305 per million.

They FAILED nearly as badly as we have by locking down too late!
In fairness to our government, deaths per million is not a good measure. Population density plays a big part. If you took two identical British Isles and put 10 million people on one and 70 million on the other, and then applied identical measures to each, the deaths per million would be lower on the less populated islands. Having said that, the deaths could have been lower in this country if the government had acted more quickly. A plan would help them too.

The end game is to get everyone back to work, rubbing shoulders and sharing keyboards with minimum expenditure on protection of the workforce. Meanwhile, those softening everyone up for a return will be a million miles away, isolating themselves and their families. The public seem to demand their own serious illness, or death, so I suppose we can’t stop them.
 

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In fairness to our government, deaths per million is not a good measure. Population density plays a big part. If you took two identical British Isles and put 10 million people on one and 70 million on the other, and then applied identical measures to each, the deaths per million would be lower on the less populated islands. Having said that, the deaths could have been lower in this country if the government had acted more quickly. A plan would help them too.

The end game is to get everyone back to work, rubbing shoulders and sharing keyboards with minimum expenditure on protection of the workforce. Meanwhile, those softening everyone up for a return will be a million miles away, isolating themselves and their families. The public seem to demand their own serious illness, or death, so I suppose we can’t stop them.
Sorry deaths per million is exactly the fairest measure. In fact recognising that people in cities live in close proximity should have spurred the State to accelerate Testing and contact tracing methods . We have exactly the scenario you flagged up . The population of Ireland both North and South is about 1/10 the rest of the UK. Our figures in the South include all probable and cases confirmed and the death figures are more up to date . My estimate is we are about 1/3 the UK rate. Population density in the Eastern half of Ireland is not dissimilar to UK suburbia. We don't have an underground,which was probably a major factor in London
The difference is testing ,and attitude,and a knowledge that herd immunity in the absence of evidence was bunkum.
 

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