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Barry Shittpeas

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Lockdown has been a complete waste of time, it's just to demonstrate the politicians are taking some action. It's supposely to ensure social isolation, but there is no such thing, it's just a handy theory. We are several thousands of miles from China, as much separation as is possible on this planet, yet here we are with a worse infection than they have from the virus.

Because there is no such thing as effective social isolation in the world we've created.

In the almost certain outcome of having no effective vaccine against all the evolving strains of the virus, we'll eventually get to herd immunity anyway, so we might as well go straight to that without all the ruinous social and financial costs of Lockdown.

So what if the NHS get more overloaded in patients. We have no way of killing the virus, so those who are destined to survive will still survive, those with no chance will still die. Just make sure there's enough oxygen and morphine to help recovery and ease the dying.
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The problem is, people who wouldn’t have died, will die, if the NHS is overwhelmed. If the social distancing measures are adhered to, it will throttle the flow of people entering critical care. That will give those with a chance of survival, surviving. They’d die under your proposal.
 

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The problem is, people who wouldn’t have died, will die, if the NHS is overwhelmed. If the social distancing measures are adhered to, it will throttle the flow of people entering critical care. That will give those with a chance of survival, surviving. They’d die under your proposal.
I've disagreed since we haven't used anything like our resources, The London Nightingale has had tens coming into its 4000 capacity, the Birmingham one hasn't ever bothered to open and it's looking like we won't need the 7 planned ones.

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Lockdown has been a complete waste of time, it's just to demonstrate the politicians are taking some action. It's supposely to ensure social isolation, but there is no such thing, it's just a handy theory. We are several thousands of miles from China, as much separation as is possible on this planet, yet here we are with a worse infection than they have from the virus.

Because there is no such thing as effective social isolation in the world we've created.

In the almost certain outcome of having no effective vaccine against all the evolving strains of the virus, we'll eventually get to herd immunity anyway, so we might as well go straight to that without all the ruinous social and financial costs of Lockdown.

So what if the NHS get more overloaded in patients. We have no way of killing the virus, so those who are destined to survive will still survive, those with no chance will still die. Just make sure there's enough oxygen and morphine to help recovery and ease the dying.
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You may as well not bother to try saving the ones that go into hospital and risk the lives of the medics.
Not I'm afraid an answer that a civilised nation should countenance.
Best answer rush out what look like promising vaccines and at least take a chance on survival
 

Barry Shittpeas

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I've disagreed since we haven't used anything like our resources, The London Nightingale has had tens coming into its 4000 capacity, the Birmingham one hasn't ever bothered to open and it's looking like we won't need the 7 planned ones.

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They’ve got loads of beds, but no medical staff to tend the patients who will fill them. The Nightingale is another testing debacle, loads of theoretical capacity, but no means to roll it out in practice.
 
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flecc

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They’ve got loads of beds, but no medical staff to tend the patients who will fill them. The Nightingale is another testing debacle, loads of theoretical capacity, but no means to roll it out in practice.
But there's so much bed and staff capacity in the ordinary hospitals that they are now appealing for more patients!

It's currently being shown that tens of thousands more will die of other things like cancer and heart disease due to the panic created over Covid 19, simply because they've either held back from going into hospital or will die due to their cancelled urgent operations due to Covid-19.

At the end of the day there's no gains, just an exchange of who dies.

Lockdown is nonsense and no answer, the best performing countries had no lockdown, testing was their answer and it was the right one.

Once again we've messed up bigtime.
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They’ve got loads of beds, but no medical staff to tend the patients who will fill them. The Nightingale is another testing debacle, loads of theoretical capacity, but no means to roll it out in practice.
I know someone who works in ICU dealing with COVID. Apparently, the Nightingale in London does not do well for their patients because they don't have enough specialist nurses to operate the equipment.
It's just poor planning. Anyone can understand (except the accountants who advise our government) that you need well trained specialist nurses (not agencies) to work in ICU.
 

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The big problem with 4 rotor drones is they are four times more likely to drop out of the sky than a single rotor machine due to a motor / blade malfunction.

They are ok as toys or for surveying in close proximity to the operator. As a means of transporting cargo or people, it isn’t going to happen in a public/ urban environment anytime soon.
Are Chinooks twice as likely to fall out of the sky due to malfunction as, say, a Puma?

The Windracer they are reported to be using appears to have two propellors (rather than rotors).
 

Barry Shittpeas

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Are Chinooks twice as likely to fall out of the sky due to malfunction as, say, a Puma?

The Windracer they are reported to be using appears to have two propellors (rather than rotors).
‘Likely more risk than a single rotor craft due to the fact the Chinook has more gearboxes in the transmission, a failure of any one would bring it down. A single rotor helicopter can, in some circumstances, land with a failed gearbox, but not a Chinook.
 
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oyster

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A young girl round here is doing a head shave for charity.

Leaving aside all the questions about raising money for the NHS, charities, and so on, I am dead impressed that she has really taken on-board the need to think of others. She has long hair and there is no doubt at all she is really proud of it. It is a really big deal for her.

I'd be very happy to clap for her.
 

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But there's so much bed and staff capacity in the ordinary hospitals that they are now appealing for more patients!

It's currently being shown that tens of thousands more will die of other things like cancer and heart disease due to the panic created over Covid 19, simply because they've either held back from going into hospital or will die due to their cancelled urgent operations due to Covid-19.

At the end of the day there's no gains, just an exchange of who dies.

Lockdown is nonsense and no answer, the best performing countries had no lockdown, testing was their answer and it was the right one.

Once again we've messed up bigtime.
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Not totally agreeing with you. Testing is king, but lockdown is also extremely valuable, if the problem is starting to run away. Lockdown for 3 weeks works. NZ has shown that in spades. Lockdown without a strategy to reduce to clusters and then isolate and contact trace everyone in the cluster is just punitive
 

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What do people think about this?
it's true that if a vaccine is found, many lives will be saved.
However, it is not certain that if you or I volunteer to test the vaccine, our contribution would shorten the time it takes to develop a vaccine.
Nice propaganda, propaganda it is nevertheless.
I am all for progress in medicine but I have strong reservation regarding nano technology in medicine.
You dice and slice nucleic acids of viruses - put fragments of them into OUR DNA. I may eat GM food one day but will not knowingly inject bits of viruses inside my body. That's one step too far.
 
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flecc

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Are Chinooks twice as likely to fall out of the sky due to malfunction as, say, a Puma?
It's already accepted that if multi rotor drones are to routinely carry a person, they will have to have eight rotors. Only that will allow one, or if spaced, two rotor redundancy.
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