That is what I had thought. But is there another factor? Could speculate all night, but it would be good to be certain.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I agree. If testing and tracking had been applied at the proper time (eg WHO/Germany style) it would have helped a huge amount. Given the scale of problem we have now it would be an absolutely vast logistics problem; much bigger than the logistics problems the government have already shown themselves incapable of handling.
What? This Gavin Williamson:
Andrew Adonis
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Gavin Williamson has managed to spend an hour saying nothing He is supposed to be a minister in a crisis
oldgroaner@oldgroaner
I misread that, for a moment I thought you'd said "coma"
Gavin Williamson sacked as defence secretary for Huawei leak – as it happened
Prime minister asks minister to leave after inquiry concludes ‘no other credible version of events to explain this leak has been identified’
And in order to reduce the spread of the pandemic if the vaccine cannot confer immunity, it instead causes instant death.Don't think so, if it had been around Oct>Winter and with its infectivity then hospitals would have been chocka + many deaths.
This is alarming and a spanner in the works to breaking out of lockdown until a tested and safe vaccine becomes widely available.
Vaccine-induced immunity 'could last longer'
The leader of a team working on a coronavirus vaccine says scientists believe its possible to become infected with Covid-19 more than once.www.bbc.co.uk
The leader of a team working on a vaccine, Professor Sarah Gilbert, from Oxford University said scientists believed it was possible to become infected with Covid-19 more than once.
She added that a vaccine-induced immunity could last longer than the infected-induced immunity.
Win-win situation.
I posted this possibility for myself in mid March on this link.
I doubt it was though, very few symptoms.
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And the bloody virus spared him out of professional courtesy?
Works for me...
Reading the blurb in the extended lockdown for the elderly made me realise this is the only nation in the world
That buries the survivors alive
That buries the survivors alive
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Despite Jenny Harries, Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance appearing oblivious to the Tory plan to set them up as patsies, when NHS staff wear bin liners and beg for PPE, there's no need to build your own gallows with phrases like "International Exemplar in Preparedness"... https://pic.twitter.com/0H6kwxG6iK
oldgroaner@p;dgroaner
The daily sermon looks very much like a who's who of the Tory Mp's Cummings has a "down" on, being faced with the prospect of being put in the stocks to be pelted by the press must be great for maintaining discipline in the ranks
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Despite Jenny Harries, Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance appearing oblivious to the Tory plan to set them up as patsies, when NHS staff wear bin liners and beg for PPE, there's no need to build your own gallows with phrases like "International Exemplar in Preparedness"... https://pic.twitter.com/0H6kwxG6iK
oldgroaner@p;dgroaner
The daily sermon looks very much like a who's who of the Tory Mp's Cummings has a "down" on, being faced with the prospect of being put in the stocks to be pelted by the press must be great for maintaining discipline in the ranks
I think it was some time in January and I was listening to a phone in programme about the outbreak in China. The presenter was speaking to a student in Wuhan. The Student was an Eastern European and he was saying that there were rumours in the City at the beginning of last summer that people were falling ill due to some kind of virus but then the rumours stopped and he did not hear anything again until December.
A couple of days later on another phone in programme on the radio they were speaking to another student who was studying in Wuhan, this one was English. He said that he had heard rumours about a nasty virus circulating sometime around the beginning of September.
If the rumours are true (I believe the students had heard the rumours) but that doesn't mean they are true, then it could mean that the virus could have been spreading in the UK from around October. What wouldn't make sense though is why the hospitals would not have been inundated at that time with seriously ill people.
I suppose its possible that the virus mutated at some point and became more deadly but I think the more like possibility is that there were a few nasty bugs going around this winter not just the corona virus.
From what the expert from Oxford was saying on the Marr programme this morning, even if you have had it, it may not give you much protection for very long. If they do produce a vaccine then that is likely to give you better and longer protection than actually catching the virus.
great tweet
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So the Winston Churchill wannabe was Neville Chamberlain all along.
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So the Winston Churchill wannabe was Neville Chamberlain all along.
During the floods the wife asked me where was Borris, it was a Saturday or Sunday, and I told her he does not work weekends. She thought I was joking but I wasn't you never used to see him on the weekends no matter what the problem was, someone else would have to come out and face the media.Rats/sinking ship comes to mind
YUP!
The PPE debacle continues. Meanwhile, the NHS medical professional death toll rises above 30.
Yesterday’s lie was, tonnes of PPE equipment arriving from Turkey today. Today’s lie is, there has been a delay and it’s not arriving. No holding to account or difficult questions from the media, as usual.
UK manufacturers are screaming at the government to give them the go ahead to start making gowns and other PPE. They are being met with silence. No one is talking to them. We have a good hi-tec textile industry in the U.K and we could do this.
Why haven’t they sent RAF transporters to Turkey anyway? If they’d left this morning, they could have been back by late afternoon with the gear. A fleet of trucks could have them got it out to hospitals. Absolute *****.
That **** Gavin Williamson looked like a small boy who’d weed himself, when he hosted the Downing Street briefing this afternoon. None of them look in control or to have a handle on the situation.
The idiots have now placed procurement and distribution of the PPE in the hands of a firm of accountants. It would be funny if it wasn’t costing lives. They’ve got to let go and let people who know what they are doing take charge.
Yesterday’s lie was, tonnes of PPE equipment arriving from Turkey today. Today’s lie is, there has been a delay and it’s not arriving. No holding to account or difficult questions from the media, as usual.
UK manufacturers are screaming at the government to give them the go ahead to start making gowns and other PPE. They are being met with silence. No one is talking to them. We have a good hi-tec textile industry in the U.K and we could do this.
Why haven’t they sent RAF transporters to Turkey anyway? If they’d left this morning, they could have been back by late afternoon with the gear. A fleet of trucks could have them got it out to hospitals. Absolute *****.
That **** Gavin Williamson looked like a small boy who’d weed himself, when he hosted the Downing Street briefing this afternoon. None of them look in control or to have a handle on the situation.
The idiots have now placed procurement and distribution of the PPE in the hands of a firm of accountants. It would be funny if it wasn’t costing lives. They’ve got to let go and let people who know what they are doing take charge.
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if I understand correctly, the vaccine that the Oxford group is proposing is a mRNA vaccine. It's cheap and easy to produce but there are reasons why none of them has been approved.
why do I have a bad feeling about this?
No idea whatsoever about physical packing, but a C-17 can carry around 77 tonnes and the PPE was reported to be 89 tonnes. So, in terms of weight, they could get most of it onto one flight.
Send whatever is needed. Send 10 aircraft if necessary and land them at airfields around the country to speed up distribution. There are many aircraft on the ground, so carrying capacity isn’t an issue. This is a national emergency.
I suspect that was more likely background winter flus going around.