Brexit, for once some facts.
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I think 2%-3% fatality rate is more likely.First of all update on my wife, she had an uncomfortable night, stomach ack and back pain. Felt better this morning and has had some breakfast. She thinks she probably does have the virus I originally thought she did not. Neither I or my grandson that lives with us have had any symptoms at all, this was mainly why I thought the wife did not have the virus.
This was the main reason why I thought she did not have it, I assumed that if she did have it then either I or the grandson would also start to feel unwell, but perhaps she is a few days ahead of us and we have that to look forward to!
Anyway here is what I wanted you folks to take a look at.
Most of the reports I have read suggest the death rate from Covid 19 is in the region of 0.5 to 1.0%, but every now and again a survey pops up indicating the rate could be much lower than that.
Stanford University has just published a survey linked below which has not yet been peer reviewed suggesting that death rates could be in the region of 0.12 to 0.2%. I think this is a similar death rate to conventual flu. Its surprising that after nearly 4 months of some of the best brains in the world working on the virus that we don't really have much idea of the actual death rate.
The difference between say 0.12 and 1% does not at first appear very large, but it is huge when one starts to think of how many less people would die of the virus if 0.12 is the more accurate figure.
Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Here is the link
Antibody study suggests coronavirus may be far more widespread than previously thought
Non-peer reviewed study from Stanford found virus may be 50 to 85 times more common than official figures indicatewww.theguardian.com
Corona viruses include the common cold. Covid19 is different. It kills 50 times more than flu because it does not trigger the mucosa immune system in a lot of people, BAME for instance.
Added Dislike - nothing personal - but the message you posted is despicable.Hard to excuse idiocy on this intergalactic class level
Afraid How is Boris? should count alongside Where's Wally as a flippant, lightweight, crass choice of words.
(Nothing wrong with the original cartoons!)
Did the Royal Navy sink and disappear when Nelson died?
Did the USA stop functioning when JFK died?
A country is not one person.
And if Boris Johnson represents the worth of this nation, we might as well give up now and resign ourselves to death.
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Some snippets from BBC news pages about recovery from covid-19. Suspicious it was published today given the other Johnson comment(s).
There have been reports from China and Italy of whole-body weakness, shortness of breath after any level of exertion, persistent coughing and irregular breathing. Plus needing a lot of sleep.
"We do know patients take a considerable period, potentially months, to recover."
Will coronavirus affect my health long-term?
We don't know for sure as there is no long-term data, but we can look at other conditions.
Acute respiratory distress syndrome (called Ards) develops in patients whose immune systems go into overdrive, causing damage to the lungs.
"There is really good data that, even five years down the line, people can have ongoing physical and psychological difficulties," says Mr Twose.
Dr James Gill, a GP and lecturer at Warwick Medical School, says people also need mental health support to improve recovery.
"You're finding breathing difficult, then the doctor says 'We need to put you on a ventilator. We need to put you to sleep. Do you want to say goodbye to your family?'.
"PTSD [post-traumatic stress disorder] in these most severe patients is not unsurprising. There will be significant psychological scars for many."
There remains the possibility that even some mild cases may leave patients with long-term health problems - such as fatigue.
there is some truth in it though.
1,000 CV deaths a day or the economy in lockdown?
“There’s no exit plan at the moment because they don’t want to do anything without the boss’s say so. Not a huge amount is going on in these Cabinet meetings.
“They are waiting for the public to change their minds. We didn’t want to go down this route in the first place – public and media pressure pushed the lockdown, we went with the science.
“The lockdown will only start coming loose when the public wants it to – not ministers.”
A government which could actually be believed and was trusted could have argued its case and explained the options.
They didn't. They are not believable. They are not trusted.
(Not at all sure it is quite as you have said, possibly closer to 1,000 deaths a day AND economy in lockdown versus many more than 1,000 deaths a day and still a major hit to the economy.)
I think the NHS can deal with 30,000 CV beds and 1,000 deaths a day.
The lockdown would be then gradually lifted to keep the status quo until better treatments are found.
My main concern is in a year, we'll end up with a million more citizens living with chronic fatigue, reduced lung and kidney functions after a CV infection.
The lockdown would be then gradually lifted to keep the status quo until better treatments are found.
My main concern is in a year, we'll end up with a million more citizens living with chronic fatigue, reduced lung and kidney functions after a CV infection.
I am in touch will all too many who were already living with chronic fatigue, reduced lung and kidney functions. All can be associated with thyroid issues.
(And there has long been speculation that a significant amount of the extant thyroid disease was caused by various viruses such as Epstein Barr Virus.)
Given how much help many have received over the years, it won't bankrupt the NHS. 2s 6p a year should do.
The problem is that is what they want us elderly to do isn't it?
Apr 14
"A crisis that might have wrecked Boris Johnson looks set, through the misfortune of serious illness, to have strengthened him" https://ft.com/content/0cbd81d8-7d5e-11ea-82f6-150830b3b99a?segmentID=635a35f9-12b4-dbf5-9fe6-6b8e6ffb143e&campaign=march20
oldgroaner@oldgroaner
Only in the minds of the morons who think it's a good idea to back a man who has the deaths of thousands on his hands, and want him back to make matters even worse
"A crisis that might have wrecked Boris Johnson looks set, through the misfortune of serious illness, to have strengthened him" https://ft.com/content/0cbd81d8-7d5e-11ea-82f6-150830b3b99a?segmentID=635a35f9-12b4-dbf5-9fe6-6b8e6ffb143e&campaign=march20
oldgroaner@oldgroaner
Only in the minds of the morons who think it's a good idea to back a man who has the deaths of thousands on his hands, and want him back to make matters even worse
And there are other views being expressed
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Chris Devismes #BDS
@B9igndispo
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@FinancialTimes
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@Hughesy53
Despite the fact three doctors refused to sign the official secrets act and one quoted as saying, "if he's got Covid19 then I'm no doctor," before they were whsiked away on leave; and then Boris miraculously emerged a week later, all well. Doesn't seem to add up, really. #sham
Hmm!
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Chris Devismes #BDS
@B9igndispo
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16h
Replying to
@FinancialTimes
and
@Hughesy53
Despite the fact three doctors refused to sign the official secrets act and one quoted as saying, "if he's got Covid19 then I'm no doctor," before they were whsiked away on leave; and then Boris miraculously emerged a week later, all well. Doesn't seem to add up, really. #sham
Hmm!
Plus the timing was interesting - Announcing it late Fri before scarpering off for the weekend.Sort this out, Hancock. I don't think we have ever intended to have kamikaze medical staff. And I mean that strictly in the sense of sacrifice.
NHS frontline workers may walk over lack of PPE, says union
Molly Blackall
NHS frontline staff may refuse to work if there is not enough personal protective equipment (PPE) to ensure their safety, the UK’s biggest union has warned.
The warning came in response to new guidance from Public Health England, revealed by the Guardian on Friday, which instructs healthcare workers to reuse disposable PPE. The guidelines also recommended that medics wear aprons if they are unable to access full-length gowns, and there are concerns that some PPE supplies are close to running out.
Sara Gorton, the head of health at Unison, said:
If gowns run out, staff in high-risk areas may well decide that it’s no longer safe for them to work.
No part of the NHS should use this move as an excuse to ration supplies of gowns when they still have stocks. That would cause a damaging breakdown of trust at a time when staff are working under intense pressure.
I don't see Boris rushing back from convalesce to take responsibility and deal with this clusterfuck. I wonder who'll be the first cabinet minister to resign at the end of the month...
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James O'Brien
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I don’t completely understand this yet & it’s a clip without context, but I would like to see a defence of what the PM seems to be saying here.
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PoliticsJOE
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"That is a smoking gun." - @peterjukes In a speech earlier this year, Boris Johnson argues the UK could make a profit by avoiding lockdown.
oldgroaner@oldgroaner
oldgroaner
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@mrjamesob
We need to look carefully at the income of these Tory politicians to see who is funding them, and who they are associating themselves with to understand their actions. And this should be done by an independent body, they should not be worried by such as process, should they?
@mrjamesob
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I don’t completely understand this yet & it’s a clip without context, but I would like to see a defence of what the PM seems to be saying here.
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PoliticsJOE
@PoliticsJOE_UK
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"That is a smoking gun." - @peterjukes In a speech earlier this year, Boris Johnson argues the UK could make a profit by avoiding lockdown.
oldgroaner@oldgroaner
oldgroaner
@oldgroaner
Replying to
@mrjamesob
We need to look carefully at the income of these Tory politicians to see who is funding them, and who they are associating themselves with to understand their actions. And this should be done by an independent body, they should not be worried by such as process, should they?
watch the Chief idiot making a case for being personally committed to an asylum for the criminally insane
Come on now.. The simplest explanation is usually correct. BJ goes around shaking hands with all and sundry in a CV19 ward. Two weeks later gets ill, one week later gets shifted to major hospital ..gets treated etc. Now he is still a youngster ..from my perspective , a bit overweight, probably enlarged liver (him, not me ), but with good care and oxygen ...and maybe an infusion of antibodies is OK to recuperate at home.And there are other views being expressed
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Chris Devismes #BDS
@B9igndispo
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16h
Replying to
@FinancialTimes
and
@Hughesy53
Despite the fact three doctors refused to sign the official secrets act and one quoted as saying, "if he's got Covid19 then I'm no doctor," before they were whsiked away on leave; and then Boris miraculously emerged a week later, all well. Doesn't seem to add up, really. #sham
Hmm!
Absolutely! there's nothing wrong with taking your time when you don't hold down an important job, is there?
What is he convalescing from is the question.
The illness of the thought of being held responsible for what he's done?
Sorry but what he appears to suffer from is
a lack of intestinal fortitude
Ye gods!
Peter Geoghegan
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You know Burberry are making all that PPE for British medics? Well, turns out a leading Brexiter hedge fund manager is shorting its stock - even though Bank of England has explicitly asked hedgies to stop shorting. My latest
@openDemocracy
investigation: https://opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/burberry-makes-ppe-nurses-and-doctors-brexiteer-hedge-funder-shorts-its-stock/…
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openDemocracy@openDemocracy
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Burberry has been tasked with PPE for British nurses and doctors - so why is a hedge fund run by a Brexit donor shorting the firm's stock? @openDemocracy reveals that many hedge funds are ignoring Bank of England pleas and profiting from COVID-19 chaos. https://opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/burberry-makes-ppe-nurses-and-doctors-brexiteer-hedge-funder-shorts-its-stock/
Peter Geoghegan
@PeterKGeoghegan
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You know Burberry are making all that PPE for British medics? Well, turns out a leading Brexiter hedge fund manager is shorting its stock - even though Bank of England has explicitly asked hedgies to stop shorting. My latest
@openDemocracy
investigation: https://opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/burberry-makes-ppe-nurses-and-doctors-brexiteer-hedge-funder-shorts-its-stock/…
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openDemocracy@openDemocracy
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Burberry has been tasked with PPE for British nurses and doctors - so why is a hedge fund run by a Brexit donor shorting the firm's stock? @openDemocracy reveals that many hedge funds are ignoring Bank of England pleas and profiting from COVID-19 chaos. https://opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/burberry-makes-ppe-nurses-and-doctors-brexiteer-hedge-funder-shorts-its-stock/
Honestly, did you really expect anything else? How long have you lived here?