Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Britain's infection rate is 'frightening' EU leaders: Austria's grim warning as World Health Organisation brands UK's rise to 103,093 cases a 'dark cloud' dragging down Europe's positive performance
THE SICK MAN OF EUROPE
Britain's coronavirus infection rate is the highest in Europe and is 'frightening' European policymakers, the Austrian health minister has said. Rudolf Anschober (pictured centre) highlighted the rapid growth in UK cases at a press conference last night

Now when was the last time we saw a headline the sick man of Europe?
Dear oh Dear
Not a good start for your Brexit bash Boris, is it?

 

[oyster]

Face masks for all?
I think it would help more to make shoppers wear a hoop dress of radius 1.2m.

(Could be awkward riding to the shops.)

Would this help? (The one on the right!)

 

[oldgroaner]

The Express have gone into full rabid fascist propaganda mode this morning
Boris to REJECT any EU plea for Brexit trade delay as UK 'hardens' stance – Downing Street
And
EU already making plans to use UK taxpayers' cash to fund Brussels coronavirus recovery
EUROPEAN UNION chiefs are already eyeing up British cash to support the bloc's recovery from the coronavirus pandemic, it has emerged.
also
Pound's coronavirus surge against euro will bring EU to heel over Brexit say economists
POUND STERLING has become the unlikely winner of the coronavirus crisis according to leading economists who claim the currency's surge against the euro will temper Brussel's combative stance over Brexit..
even
Dominic Raab tells China there will be NO 'business as usual' after coronavirus pandemic
FOREIGN Secretary Dominic Raab issued a clear warning to China last night as he warned the country will be facing tough questions about the source of the coronavirus pandemic.

Just how far over the edge into insanity will this rag descend?

Lets take just the last claim
In reality we rely on China for everything we don't buy from the EU. which is a huge proportion of manufactured goods we consume every day.
And we have no immediate capability of filling the gaps from either source before facing dire consequences.

 

[oldgroaner]

Would this help? (The one on the right!)

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Perhaps not, but queueing on those bikes would!

 

[oyster]

The Daily Mail have launched a two pronged attack on the government.

1) The UK is the worst performing country in Europe at tackling Coronavirus.

2) Doctors are being told not to put Coronavirus as the cause of death on Death Certificates.

Can they tell us something we don’t already know?

We import so much from China. Including incorrect statistics. (Though I have not read it yet to understand why the change. After all, it is plain as a pikestaff that many UK figures are delayed or re-cast, or their derivation is changed, so that they do not show the one and only True Picture.

Coronavirus live news: Wuhan death toll revised up 50% as China's economy suffers worst fall on record

 

[Woosh]

(Though I have not read it yet to understand why the change.

they just added the deaths in the community.
Like we do with our ONS.
Theirs is roughly 2 in hospital for 1 in the community.
I guess ours will be about same, except that ONS publishes weekly stats, the Chinese don't.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

The Express have gone into full rabid fascist propaganda mode this morning
Boris to REJECT any EU plea for Brexit trade delay as UK 'hardens' stance – Downing Street
And
EU already making plans to use UK taxpayers' cash to fund Brussels coronavirus recovery
EUROPEAN UNION chiefs are already eyeing up British cash to support the bloc's recovery from the coronavirus pandemic, it has emerged.
also
Pound's coronavirus surge against euro will bring EU to heel over Brexit say economists
POUND STERLING has become the unlikely winner of the coronavirus crisis according to leading economists who claim the currency's surge against the euro will temper Brussel's combative stance over Brexit..
even
Dominic Raab tells China there will be NO 'business as usual' after coronavirus pandemic
FOREIGN Secretary Dominic Raab issued a clear warning to China last night as he warned the country will be facing tough questions about the source of the coronavirus pandemic.

Just how far over the edge into insanity will this rag descend?

Lets take just the last claim
In reality we rely on China for everything we don't buy from the EU. which is a huge proportion of manufactured goods we consume every day.
And we have no immediate capability of filling the gaps from either source before facing dire consequences.

China owns the world. I don’t think any country could function as we know it today without stuff made by a Chink.

 

[Woosh]

firstly, the Pound tanked since social distancing was introduced. CV did not benefit the Pound.
I paid for goods in USD. On average, I paid 5% more in Feb-Apr compared to Dec-Jan.
Secondly, although I try to stay away from conspiracy theories, the more I read about the complex mechanism for a virus like Corvid19 to gain entry into human cells and spread, the more I think that it is a man made accident, kind of Chernobyl.

 

[Woosh]

this is the kind of research carried out on behalf of the big pharma firms:

"Generated MERS-CoV pseudovirus was able to infect a variety of cell types from human and non-human hosts"

A safe and convenient pseudovirus-based inhibition assay to detect neutralizing antibodies and screen for viral entry inhibitors against the novel human coronavirus MERS-CoV - Virology Journal

Background Evidence points to the emergence of a novel human coronavirus, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), which causes a severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-like disease. In response, the development of effective vaccines and therapeutics remains a clinical...

virologyj.biomedcentral.com

 

[sjpt]

Not the first time that one representative has said one thing while another is planning the opposite.

Maybe better that than they spend even more time coordinating what lies they are going to tell.

 

[oldgroaner]

Maybe better that than they spend even more time coordinating what lies they are going to tell.

Lets see them lie their way out of this

Quite simply I want to see those responsible put on trial for either criminal negligence, or perhaps crimes against humanity.
They have killed thousands of our own people.

 

[Danidl]

‘If a mask reduces the amount of virus leaving your mouth to 1/36 th, it must have some affect going the other way, ie into your mouth / lungs? Maybe not as much reduction, maybe so, but it must have some level of reducing affect?

I have been convinced that the government is deliberately misinforming us with regards to face masks. This is highly likely because they have dropped the ball over providing them to health professionals and any public demand would expose their incompetence even further.

The latest proposal to make office staff wear them reinforces my suspicions. Why would you do that if they supposedly offer no protection?

I did a few calculations on this topic a number of days ago. My conclusions are that if one is in a crowded location and forced into proximity with other people, wearing s mask is beneficial. However it is nowhere as effective as physical distance. So I look with amusement at a person, on their own in a car driving and wearing a mask. If on the other hand, I was a taxi driver, I would be insisting on wearing one.
The original CV19 guidelines indicated that a person within 1 metre of an infectious person for 15 minutes was a very high risk candidate. .. so take that as the standard. And assume certain infection for the 1m 1/4 hr exposure

The volume occupied by the shedder is a cylinder 2 metres high and 1 metre radius .. or 6 cubic metres . Actually that is a gross over estimate as the danger zone is the mouth and face area , and the 1/2 litre of expelled air every second. . And our heads tend to be at the same level ... . if one is 2 metres away, the intensity of viral particles will ,even for pure aerosol spray be 1/8 that of 1 ,At 3 metres 1/27 ,at 4 metres 1/81 etc... It will decrease at least as fast as the cube of the distance. .. probably faster as it is not an aerosol but heavier droplets, and will not remain suspended in the air
A person wearing an N95 mask, will experience 5% of the load transmitted compared to no mask. That means they can be at the same distance 20 times longer for the same risk.. but they would be even more protected by being a little be further away even without a mask.
A person walking past a shedder is in the active zone for perhaps a second, so would need to be in very close proximity to 1000 different shedders
This explains why nurses who must be within the active zone for extended periods need added protection. It also explains that the standard N95 is inadequate for an 8 hour shift. They should have full active breathing apparatus,with pumped air delivery.

 

[oldgroaner]

firstly, the Pound tanked since social distancing was introduced. CV did not benefit the Pound.
I paid for goods in USD. On average, I paid 5% more in Feb-Apr compared to Dec-Jan.
Secondly, although I try to stay away from conspiracy theories, the more I read about the complex mechanism for a virus like Corvid19 to gain entry into human cells and spread, the more I think that it is a man made accident, kind of Chernobyl.

And the more suspicious the money the Americans invested in research there appears!

 

[Danidl]

The Express have gone into full rabid fascist propaganda mode this morning
Boris to REJECT any EU plea for Brexit trade delay as UK 'hardens' stance – Downing Street
And
EU already making plans to use UK taxpayers' cash to fund Brussels coronavirus recovery
EUROPEAN UNION chiefs are already eyeing up British cash to support the bloc's recovery from the coronavirus pandemic, it has emerged.
also
Pound's coronavirus surge against euro will bring EU to heel over Brexit say economists
POUND STERLING has become the unlikely winner of the coronavirus crisis according to leading economists who claim the currency's surge against the euro will temper Brussel's combative stance over Brexit..
even
Dominic Raab tells China there will be NO 'business as usual' after coronavirus pandemic
FOREIGN Secretary Dominic Raab issued a clear warning to China last night as he warned the country will be facing tough questions about the source of the coronavirus pandemic.

Just how far over the edge into insanity will this rag descend?

Lets take just the last claim
In reality we rely on China for everything we don't buy from the EU. which is a huge proportion of manufactured goods we consume every day.
And we have no immediate capability of filling the gaps from either source before facing dire consequences.

Taking the last statement.. Mr Raab is very much correct. There will be no business as usual.. but nothing to do with the sources of the virus

 

[oldgroaner]

Here you are Video for the day
The Pandemic Anthem
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/mitch-benn-on-his-viral-lockdown-anthem-1-6610392

 

[Woosh]

I did a few calculations on this topic a number of days ago. My conclusions are that if one is in a crowded location and forced into proximity with other people, wearing s mask is beneficial. However it is nowhere as effective as physical distance. So I look with amusement at a person, on their own in a car driving and wearing a mask. If on the other hand, I was a taxi driver, I would be insisting on wearing one.
The original CV19 guidelines indicated that a person within 1 metre of an infectious person for 15 minutes was a very high risk candidate. .. so take that as the standard. And assume certain infection for the 1m 1/4 hr exposure

The volume occupied by the shedder is a cylinder 2 metres high and 1 metre radius .. or 6 cubic metres . Actually that is a gross over estimate as the danger zone is the mouth and face area , and the 1/2 litre of expelled air every second. . And our heads tend to be at the same level ... . if one is 2 metres away, the intensity of viral particles will ,even for pure aerosol spray be 1/8 that of 1 ,At 3 metres 1/27 ,at 4 metres 1/81 etc... It will decrease at least as fast as the cube of the distance. .. probably faster as it is not an aerosol but heavier droplets, and will not remain suspended in the air
A person wearing an N95 mask, will experience 5% of the load transmitted compared to no mask. That means they can be at the same distance 20 times longer for the same risk.. but they would be even more protected by being a little be further away even without a mask.
A person walking past a shedder is in the active zone for perhaps a second, so would need to be in very close proximity to 1000 different shedders
This explains why nurses who must be within the active zone for extended periods need added protection. It also explains that the standard N95 is inadequate for an 8 hour shift. They should have full active breathing apparatus,with pumped air delivery.

if you put 50 people in the same train carriage - all wearing face masks.
The viral load in the stale air is only 5% of what it would have been if masks were not compulsory.
The other 95% stay within the spreaders masks.
The benefit is not as good as self isolation but a lot better than the 2M rule.

 

[Woosh]

And the more suspicious the money the Americans invested in research there appears!

they only make money if these viruses escape from the labs.

 

[oldgroaner]

This should appear on the case for the prosecution
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michelle maher

@mmaher70
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Daughter doing tills and online shopping for #sainsburys has gone down with #coronavirusuk Loss of taste, extreme fatigue, headache and nausea She has a one year old and 11 years old to look after Johnson gets it he's a national hero My daughter gets it, cannon fodder #Carers

 

[oldgroaner]

they only make money if these viruses escape from the labs.

It's called "Drumming up trade"

 

[oldgroaner]

We are certainly world leaders thanks to Boris and co

Leaders in avoidable deaths, unfortuntely