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sjpt

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Face masks for all?
I think it would help more to make shoppers wear a hoop dress of radius 1.2m.

(Could be awkward riding to the shops.)
 
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Danidl

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There's so many loopholes in that list you could conjure up I don't think I'll even begin to go there. As barry says it's all common sense really. Here's a funny one ... if the Police are called out or they catch you out breaking a lockdown rule and as a result you are nicked, you then commit another offence you can only be arrested for that other discretion. In other words you arrange a rave in a field for a thousand people and you get nicked, you knock a bobby's helmet off so to speak and can only get charged for that offence, not a Covid breech.
We have had an interesting case reported here in Ireland today ... A young man was stopped on two occasions in both cases for being away from his place of residence. This is the bit which was heavily publicised. However he had also no tax, insurance , had previously had his licence suspended ..this was the afterthought . So the second time he was arrested . Anyway he is in jail without a bail hearing. Actually the judge refused bail . The interesting bit is that while driving without licence, insurance tax and while suspended are criminal offences,. They don't normally attract incarceration. But the driving more than two km is not in itself an offence .. It only becomes one, if you don't turn around and go home, when instructed by the Gardai.
 
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We have had an interesting case reported here in Ireland today ... A young man was stopped on two occasions in both cases for being away from his place of residence. This is the bit which was heavily publicised. However he had also no tax, insurance , had previously had his licence suspended ..this was the afterthought . So the second time he was arrested . Anyway he is in jail without a bail hearing. Actually the judge refused bail . The interesting bit is that while driving without licence, insurance tax and while suspended are criminal offences,. They don't normally attract incarceration. But the driving more than two km is not in itself an offence .. It only becomes one, if you don't turn around and go home, when instructed by the Gardai.
We all have our idiots:

A family from Cardiff were fined after they were caught trying to make their way to a holiday let in Freshwater East twice in one day.

Despite being told to turn around, officers found the family just one mile from their destination before issuing a fine and escorting them back.

When stopped by police near Carmarthen yesterday (April 15), the family told officers their caravan had developed a leak.

Officers saw the car was packed with clothes and other belongings suggesting intentions for a long-term stay.

They explained the current regulations around essential travel, and encouraged the driver to turn around and head home.

But just half an hour later their vehicle was spotted again near Freshwater East beach in Pembrokeshire.

Both adults were issued with Covid-19 fines, and escorted outside of the force area.
 

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It's human nature that if you make a rule someone will try to break or at least bend it, they will always attempt to find a way round something they are told not to do. I call this the 'Wet Paint Syndrome'

If you have nothing better to do with your time take a piece of white card and draw " WET PAINT" on it then tape it to your gate, fence or front door and observe. Sure as hell sooner or later somebody will walk up to it and lightly touch the paintwork just to see if it is wet, it's not enough that your message points to the fact that it's wet, no they have to check for themselves.
Then they look at their fingers and wipe them on your brickwork, it's your paint have it back!

People are told to stay indoors to save lives etc,etc. so what do they do ? pack the parks, walk the dog to exhaustion and wash the car four times in a week. I just look at them and think carry on mate, whose most likely to catch the pox you or me.
 

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Despite Question Time (Buckland) not endorsing masks, at all, Friday's Mail suggests government is going to make masks compulsory in offices.

Not the first time that one representative has said one thing while another is planning the opposite.
 
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i went to tesco today and the line of sheeple was long i just walked strait in anyway 1 sec guard told me to get in line i told him to go fook him self or get the police to arrest me as i am shopping and no law against this and why do i have to stand in line when i want to enter a shop of free will to buy something and no law has been passed to uphold your actions as a sec guard for tesco does not permit this under law and can not be enforced buy you or the police.

i got my rolling tobacco and not a problem pmsl ;)
 
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oldgroaner

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i went to tesco today and the line of sheeple was long i just walked strait in anyway 1 sec guard told me to get in line i told him to go fook him self or get the police to arrest me as i am shopping and no law against this and why do i have to stand in line when i want to enter a shop of free will to buy something and no law has been passed to uphold your actions as a sec guard for tesco does not permit this under law and can not be enforced buy you or the police.

i got my rolling tobacco and not a problem pmsl ;)
You get today's "Idiot antisocial moron of the day" award
But then, you usually do.
 

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Despite Question Time (Buckland) not endorsing masks, at all, Friday's Mail suggests government is going to make masks compulsory in offices.

Not the first time that one representative has said one thing while another is planning the opposite.
I thought Buckland was left floundering over several questions last night. The Doctor on the panel was very good, she had this to say about masks (if I remember correctly).

The WHO do not currently recommend masks for the general public, and its likely you will be touching your face (adjusting the mask etc) more frequently when wearing a mask than when not. Therefore if you have virus on your hands then wearing a mask could increase your chance of getting the illness.

On the other hand she said there is evidence to show if someone has the virus then wearing a mask cuts down how much of the virus they transmit into the air to 1/36th of the amount they would have transmitted if they had not been wearing it.

To me it makes sense that if masks cut down the amount of virus transmitted by that amount (down to 1/36th of normal level) then they should be compulsory in places like super markets. Even if wearing one means you are more likely to put your hands on your face, the fact that less virus will be present in the super market means you have less chance of getting it on your hands and so catching the disease.

I suspect the reason why the Government have not recommended the wearing of masks is that they are worried it will create an even bigger shortage of them for health care workers.
The thing is, the mask does not have to be a surgical mask, and type of cloth covering over the mouth will make a huge difference. Even something like an old T shirt fashioned into a mask.

The Government need to make it clear that the purpose of the mask is not to protect you, its to protect other people from you incase you unknowingly have the virus. Wearing some form of mask in busy public areas will almost certainly have to become the norm if we want the lock down to come to some sort of end. If not then we are going to continually have problems and more lockdowns.
 

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i went to tesco today and the line of sheeple was long i just walked strait in anyway 1 sec guard told me to get in line i told him to go fook him self or get the police to arrest me as i am shopping and no law against this and why do i have to stand in line when i want to enter a shop of free will to buy something and no law has been passed to uphold your actions as a sec guard for tesco does not permit this under law and can not be enforced buy you or the police.

i got my rolling tobacco and not a problem pmsl ;)
That incident didn’t happen. You have made it up in an attempt to prompt outrage over your actions at the supermarket.

I suspect that you are single, fat, aged 30 - 40 years old and living with your parents, occupying the spare bedroom. It’s likely that you spend the majority of your day drinking pop, wanking over internet pornography and eating biscuits.

Go away.
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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I thought Buckland was left floundering over several questions last night. The Doctor on the panel was very good, she had this to say about masks (if I remember correctly).

The WHO do not currently recommend masks for the general public, and its likely you will be touching your face (adjusting the mask etc) more frequently when wearing a mask than when not. Therefore if you have virus on your hands then wearing a mask could increase your chance of getting the illness.

On the other hand she said there is evidence to show if someone has the virus then wearing a mask cuts down how much of the virus they transmit into the air to 1/36th of the amount they would have transmitted if they had not been wearing it.

To me it makes sense that if masks cut down the amount of virus transmitted by that amount (down to 1/36th of normal level) then they should be compulsory in places like super markets. Even if wearing one means you are more likely to put your hands on your face, the fact that less virus will be present in the super market means you have less chance of getting it on your hands and so catching the disease.

I suspect the reason why the Government have not recommended the wearing of masks is that they are worried it will create an even bigger shortage of them for health care workers.
The thing is, the mask does not have to be a surgical mask, and type of cloth covering over the mouth will make a huge difference. Even something like an old T shirt fashioned into a mask.

The Government need to make it clear that the purpose of the mask is not to protect you, its to protect other people from you incase you unknowingly have the virus. Wearing some form of mask in busy public areas will almost certainly have to become the norm if we want the lock down to come to some sort of end. If not then we are going to continually have problems and more lockdowns.
‘If a mask reduces the amount of virus leaving your mouth to 1/36 th, it must have some affect going the other way, ie into your mouth / lungs? Maybe not as much reduction, maybe so, but it must have some level of reducing affect?

I have been convinced that the government is deliberately misinforming us with regards to face masks. This is highly likely because they have dropped the ball over providing them to health professionals and any public demand would expose their incompetence even further.

The latest proposal to make office staff wear them reinforces my suspicions. Why would you do that if they supposedly offer no protection?
 
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‘If a mask reduces the amount of virus leaving your mouth to 1/36 th, it must have some affect going the other way, ie into your mouth / lungs? Maybe not as much reduction, maybe so, but it must have some level of reducing affect?
Matt Hancock is more worried about another supply problem than common sense.
most (95%+) of the droplets produced by your breathing are caught in the fabric and the non-absorbent mesh layer in the middle.
Masks should be disinfected and washed regularly.
 

oyster

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You get today's "Idiot antisocial moron of the day" award
But then, you usually do.
Tesco are entirely free to refuse to allow any individual to enter their premises, to refuse to sell anything to anyone, and to require anyone to leave the premises. And ban anyone permanently.

And if I saw anyone walking past the queue like that, I would expect Tesco security staff to take action.
 

Woosh

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And:

Less than half UK's Covid-19 testing capacity being used, figures show
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/less-than-half-uks-covid-19-testing-capacity-being-used-figures-show-coronavirus

They are preparing to blame everyone else for not using what wasn't there and even if it was there didn't know they could use.

I agree, testing capacity versus actual tests will be exploited.
if they open the drive in test centres to the public, ie charge those who want a test a fee like a flue jab, the spare capacity will be used up.
I wonder why they wouldn't let the pharmacists do the swabs.
 

oyster

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I thought Buckland was left floundering over several questions last night. The Doctor on the panel was very good, she had this to say about masks (if I remember correctly).

The WHO do not currently recommend masks for the general public, and its likely you will be touching your face (adjusting the mask etc) more frequently when wearing a mask than when not. Therefore if you have virus on your hands then wearing a mask could increase your chance of getting the illness.

On the other hand she said there is evidence to show if someone has the virus then wearing a mask cuts down how much of the virus they transmit into the air to 1/36th of the amount they would have transmitted if they had not been wearing it.

To me it makes sense that if masks cut down the amount of virus transmitted by that amount (down to 1/36th of normal level) then they should be compulsory in places like super markets. Even if wearing one means you are more likely to put your hands on your face, the fact that less virus will be present in the super market means you have less chance of getting it on your hands and so catching the disease.

I suspect the reason why the Government have not recommended the wearing of masks is that they are worried it will create an even bigger shortage of them for health care workers.
The thing is, the mask does not have to be a surgical mask, and type of cloth covering over the mouth will make a huge difference. Even something like an old T shirt fashioned into a mask.

The Government need to make it clear that the purpose of the mask is not to protect you, its to protect other people from you incase you unknowingly have the virus. Wearing some form of mask in busy public areas will almost certainly have to become the norm if we want the lock down to come to some sort of end. If not then we are going to continually have problems and more lockdowns.
I suspect that there was a point at which someone, somewhere was concerned that advice to wear masks could open the government up to "I wore a mask but still got covid-19" allegations (utterly unprovable, of course).

I agree that encouraging the wearing of masks is now appropriate (and probably has been for quite some time).

What mystifies me, still, is the reluctance even to say something like: We are not certain that masks will help, but it is reasonable to wear a home-made (or other non-PPE) mask, if you wish.

It is stilll coming across as, we don't have definitve evidence that home-made masks do work, so don't wear them.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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The Daily Mail have launched a two pronged attack on the government.

1) The UK is the worst performing country in Europe at tackling Coronavirus.

2) Doctors are being told not to put Coronavirus as the cause of death on Death Certificates.

Can they tell us something we don’t already know?
 

Barry Shittpeas

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I suspect that there was a point at which someone, somewhere was concerned that advice to wear masks could open the government up to "I wore a mask but still got covid-19" allegations (utterly unprovable, of course).

I agree that encouraging the wearing of masks is now appropriate (and probably has been for quite some time).

What mystifies me, still, is the reluctance even to say something like: We are not certain that masks will help, but it is reasonable to wear a home-made (or other non-PPE) mask, if you wish.

It is stilll coming across as, we don't have definitve evidence that home-made masks do work, so don't wear them.
It’s plain old dithering and incompetence. Handcock is out of his depth. He looks and sounds like a man being swept along by events, not a man attempting to take control of a situation.
 

oldgroaner

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That incident didn’t happen. You have made it up in an attempt to prompt outrage over your actions at the supermarket.

I suspect that you are single, fat, aged 30 - 40 years old and living with your parents, occupying the spare bedroom. It’s likely that you spend the majority of your day drinking pop, wanking over internet pornography and eating biscuits.

Go away.
Flatterer!
 
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