Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Latest Hancock performance:

Hancock: we will not be distracted from lockdown message

A at times testy Matt Hancock has told the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that the government does not want to discuss the lockdown exit strategy because it does not want to deviate from the core “stay at home, save lives” message.
Asked to respond to Professor Neil Ferguson’s comments that the government had to ramp up plans for coming out of lockdown Hancock said Ferguson “advises he is not in government”.
He added:

How we communicate has a direct impact on the amount of cases we have and the amount of people who die.

Asked if current statistics were vastly underestimating the number of deaths in care homes Hancock said he was confident that only 15% of care homes had an outbreak of two or more people. He said testing would be increased in care homes but insisted “we are testing in care homes and have since start”.


He reiterated his stated aim to carry out 100,000 tests a day by the end of the month, adding that the “best brains in the country” were working to make that happen.

 

[Woosh]

adding that the “best brains in the country” were working to make that happen.

that must be his then.
BJ and Cummings are still in hiding.

 

[oyster]

that must be his then.
BJ and Cummings are still in hiding.

Cummings was seen going to Downing Street twice (at least).

First time, not abiding by social distancing regulations, with some woman he appears to work with.

Second time, on his one well away from anyone else.

 

[oldgroaner]

I have a badge for all Tory Mp's

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[oldgroaner]

Latest Hancock performance:

Hancock: we will not be distracted from lockdown message

A at times testy Matt Hancock has told the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that the government does not want to discuss the lockdown exit strategy because it does not want to deviate from the core “stay at home, save lives” message.
Asked to respond to Professor Neil Ferguson’s comments that the government had to ramp up plans for coming out of lockdown Hancock said Ferguson “advises he is not in government”.
He added:



Asked if current statistics were vastly underestimating the number of deaths in care homes Hancock said he was confident that only 15% of care homes had an outbreak of two or more people. He said testing would be increased in care homes but insisted “we are testing in care homes and have since start”.


He reiterated his stated aim to carry out 100,000 tests a day by the end of the month, adding that the “best brains in the country” were working to make that happen.

You have to wonder why the "Best Brains in the Country" would touch the Conservative party with a barge pole never mind work for them!

 

[oyster]

You have to wonder why the "Best Brains in the Country" would touch the Conservative party with a barge pole never mind work for them!

At first glance, yes, I agree. But, to be fair to those people, many work full time in pharma, research, etc., and are just continuing to do so - though maybe with extra intensity, focus and hours.

 

[oldgroaner]

At first glance, yes, I agree. But, to be fair to those people, many work full time in pharma, research, etc., and are just continuing to do so - though maybe with extra intensity, focus and hours.

That does not necessarily mean they are the "best brains" does it? to earn that title implies more than mere competence.
Otherwise you might as well wheel in someone like Harold Shipman...oh dear. you don't suppose....

 

[Danidl]

It’s crazy and it needs stopping immediately. I posted about this yesterday.

There are plenty of able bodied people who are suitable to be put to work in this industry already resident in the U.K. I saw 12 of them drinking cheap lager on a local golf course yesterday evening at about 8:00 pm

I contacted the police to report the youths and Interestingly, the fuzz did turn up, but that’s where the good news ends. They questioned my friend and his wife who where nearby on their bikes regarding whether they were from the same household. They then departed leaving the youths on the golf course, in view, still drinking! Unbelievably. I only discovered this last bit by chance, having read it on Facebook.

What is your complaint? That young people were on a golf course?..I can understand that that would be distressing. That they were drinking alcohol? Were they social distancing?.
Our local beach..which is miles deep was locked up on the weekend to deter visitors, was still locked up by today. I believe illegally . In terms of social distancing 1 person per 100 metres ,seems safe to me,anyway the local lads are using the church park as a skateboard run, so small groups of 3 or 4 in large tarmaced area seems fine to me.

 

[flecc]

First time, not abiding by social distancing regulations, with some woman he appears to work with.

But surely there's nothing wrong in that.

I reflected on this at the Sainsburys in Warlingham when I saw two of the girls who work there leaving together at end of shift and heading into the local housing, chatting together. They were clearly close friends. Though from different households, since they work close together on the same shifts, the virus transmission path between their two households was well established.

But if later they went out exercising close together and were checked by the police as being from different households, they'd technically be committing a finable offence, which is ridiculous.

It's another illustration of why the rules should be guidance with flexibility and not law rigidly enforced.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

What is your complaint? That young people were on a golf course?..I can understand that that would be distressing. That they were drinking alcohol? Were they social distancing?.
Our local beach..which is miles deep was locked up on the weekend to deter visitors, was still locked up by today. I believe illegally . In terms of social distancing 1 person per 100 metres ,seems safe to me,anyway the local lads are using the church park as a skateboard run, so small groups of 3 or 4 in large tarmaced area seems fine to me.

All 12 were socialising, far less than 2 metres separation, passing a 2 litre cider bottle around and drinking from it.

By the fact that you need to ask the question, what’s you complaint? It seems to have by-passed you that any one or more of these people will be going home after their little drinking session and taking with them any infection they could’ve picked up from the other 11 and passing it on. It’s very simple, so I am sure you can understand it.

 

[oldgroaner]

This is why there needs to be a change of Government.
They are lethal to the Elderly
"How many of the 4,000 care home residents, officially dying of Covid-19 but missing from the DHSC figures, would be alive today if they'd been admitted to the 2,657 critical care beds and empty Nightingale hospitals? Are they victims of Cummings' "pensioners can die" strategy? "
oldgroaner@oldgroaner
Replying to
@brexit_sham
If we want to save lives, this Government has to go, it is culling the elderly, and the best we can say is that we hope through incompetence not policy.

 

[oyster]

Whatever the causes of the differences, the percentages really are very different:

Country	Total cases	Deaths	% deaths
England	76,371​	11,656​	15.3%​
Northern Ireland	2,088​	134​	6.4%​
Scotland	6,748​	615​	9.1%​
Wales	6,118​	463​	7.6%​

From https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ with added percentages.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Whatever the causes of the differences, the percentages really are very different:

Country	Total cases	Deaths	% deaths
England	76,371​	11,656​	15.3%​
Northern Ireland	2,088​	134​	6.4%​
Scotland	6,748​	615​	9.1%​
Wales	6,118​	463​	7.6%​

From https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ with added percentages.

It's all to do with testing. There will be many more than 76,371 cases in England, so the 15.3% will be lower.

The testing / confirmed cases is a complete mess. The rate of testing is supposedly increasing daily, so how do you monitor if the number of infections is growing or reducing daily? It's like trying to hit a moving target from a moving platform.

 

[oldgroaner]

Whatever the causes of the differences, the percentages really are very different:

Country	Total cases	Deaths	% deaths
England	76,371​	11,656​	15.3%​
Northern Ireland	2,088​	134​	6.4%​
Scotland	6,748​	615​	9.1%​
Wales	6,118​	463​	7.6%​

From https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ with added percentages.

Good grief!

 

[flecc]

Whatever the causes of the differences, the percentages really are very different:

Country	Total cases	Deaths	% deaths
England	76,371​	11,656​	15.3%​
Northern Ireland	2,088​	134​	6.4%​
Scotland	6,748​	615​	9.1%​
Wales	6,118​	463​	7.6%​

From https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ with added percentages.

I'm sure the main factor is population densities. For example London's true population of some 10.2 millions is about one sixth of the UK. But London's crowded space has about a half of all the coronavirus infected.

The population to space ratio of the other three countries means effective separation is both easy and often involuntary due to circumstances.
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[jonathan.agnew]

It's all to do with testing. There will be many more than 76,371 cases in England, so the 15.3% will be lower.

The testing / confirmed cases is a complete mess. The rate of testing is supposedly increasing daily, so how do you monitor if the number of infections is growing or reducing daily? It's like trying to hit a moving target from a moving platform.

But the actual death rate much higher than the official number, so the 15.3% may not be much lower, as in Belgium where testing is finally being effectively rolled out, covid skills far more than original official estimates

 

[Danidl]

All 12 were socialising, far less than 2 metres separation, passing a 2 litre cider bottle around and drinking from it.

By the fact that you need to ask the question, what’s you complaint? It seems to have by-passed you that any one or more of these people will be going home after their little drinking session and taking with them any infection they could’ve picked up from the other 11 and passing it on. It’s very simple, so I am sure you can understand it.

You did not refer to sharing a bottle ...

 

[oyster]

It's all to do with testing. There will be many more than 76,371 cases in England, so the 15.3% will be lower.

The testing / confirmed cases is a complete mess. The rate of testing is supposedly increasing daily, so how do you monitor if the number of infections is growing or reducing daily? It's like trying to hit a moving target from a moving platform.

Testing is dire in Wales as well. You might be right but the differences are dramatic.

 

[oyster]

I'm sure the main factor is population densities. For example London's true population of some 10.2 millions is about one sixth of the UK. But London's crowded space has about a half of all the coronavirus infected.

The population to space ratio of the other three countries means effective separation is both easy and often involuntary due to circumstances.
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That could explain why the number of cases would be much higher, but not why the death rate is.

 

[Danidl]

I'm sure the main factor is population densities. For example London's true population of some 10.2 millions is about one sixth of the UK. But London's crowded space has about a half of all the coronavirus infected.

The population to space ratio of the other three countries means effective separation is both easy and often involuntary due to circumstances.
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Obviously population density is important. The majority of Ireland's cases are in the extended Dublin area where the population might be towards 2 million. But failure to communicate a message clearly to the general public could have reduced the incidence and severity. What is noteworthy..and frankly appalling is that testing in the UK still lags Ireland's by half! The UK has a larger industrial base and should have been able to ramp up production very quickly.