Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

So what? He's in power not you. We voted him in. You gotta get used to it. Find somebody to back - get them elected - get power - and you can decide. Till then you're f*****ed

I realise you lack the intelligence to see, but so are you, and it is entirely your fault.
Intelligent people don't rely on serial liars and cheats that are manipulated by none elected lunatics to get things done, do they?
And you will get the sort of Government serial liars and cheats excel in.
What fun!

 

[OxygenJames]

Toby Young having fun:

"Four years ago, during the Labour leadership contest that followed the party’s electoral defeat in 2015, I urged fellow conservatives to join Labour and vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I pointed out that you can become a “registered supporter” of the party – a status that entitles you to vote for the next leader – for the princely sum of £3.

I obviously didn’t have Labour’s best interests at heart, but I could see one upside for the party, which is that Corbyn might lay to rest once and for all the crackpot theory that giving the top job to a Marxist is the way to win elections:

With Corbyn at the helm, Labour’s loss will be so catastrophic – so decisively humiliating – that the left of the party might finally be silenced for good. The ‘debate’ they want to keep on having in perpetuity might finally come to a close. We might even see a bit less of Owen Jones on the telly. That can only help Labour’s long-term electoral prospects.

Incredibly, Labour doesn’t appear to have learnt anything from its worst defeat since 1935. Those being talked about as Corbyn’s successor, with the possible exception of Keir Starmer, look like certain election losers, not least because they’re too far to the left.

And, just to put the final nail in Labour’s coffin, I’m tempted to start a new campaign. #ToriesForAbbott, perhaps. Or #ToriesForBurgon. Or – yes, he may run as well – #ToriesForGardiner. Three pounds seems a small price to pay to consign Labour to electoral oblivion, which is what I put down as my reason for joining four years ago.

But I’m not going to for two reasons.

First, the talent pool in Labour is so shallow that whoever wins won’t be able to defeat Boris.

Who’s the best of them? Keir Starmer? Not sure the man who helped persuade Corbyn to endorse a second referendum is the person to win back those defectors in the ‘Red Wall’.

Lisa Nandy? Looks good when contrasted with Corbyn, but hardly the sensible centrist the party needs.

Emily Thornberry? You’re having a laugh. No, given the mountain Labour has to climb, the Tory victory in 2024 is nailed on whoever emerges as the winner, so there’s no need to sabotage the race.

Second, helping some loon to become the leader of what is still the second biggest party in Britain in the hope that he or she will make it unelectable is a gamble I don’t want to take again.

The possibility of Corbyn in Number 10, however remote, gave me a lot of sleepless nights in the past four years.

My friends in the City assure me that the mere threat of a Corbyn government damaged the economy because it prevented lots of people investing in British businesses.

Better for the Leader of the Opposition not to be someone who wants to turn the country into Venezuela, even if that helps the Tories’ electoral chances.

So I’m going to stay out of this bun fight and just sit on the sidelines with a bag of popcorn. My work is done."

 

[oldgroaner]

‘It’s a valid question. I think that if you went to live in France for example, you would want to return to England pretty quickly.

I speak from first hand experience when I say their general food shopping is appalling. supermarkets smell unclean and i believe the food they sell is of a lower quality than that in the U.K. Their retail after sales is shoddy, particularly technology and electrical good, and if a product develops a fault within warranty, it’s standard practice to give you the FO. They literally laugh at the European Consumer rights legislation. I’m talking about the Equivalent of Curys & John Lewis here as well as small independents.

French government departments, health care, law, social care are all hostile. They will refuse point blank to converse in English or to provide any form of interpretation.

If you went to France, you’d be back here within six months asking to live in Boris’s Brexit Land. You’d do that because it’s better here when you are a needy and vulnerable person. They all return when they reach that stage, because we look after people better here.

The leave voter resurfaces like a Phoenix from the ashes, amazing transformation in a few days, how long before you change your mind again?
Johno's mugs imagine they are on a winner, but nothing has changed, except for the worse
Because we do what???
"because we look after people better here."
Tell that to these people, before you call them names
"An estimated 320,000 people are homeless in the UK, according to the latest research by Shelter. This equates to one in every 201 Brits and was an increase of four per cent on the previous year's number

 

[oldgroaner]

Toby Young having fun:

"Four years ago, during the Labour leadership contest that followed the party’s electoral defeat in 2015, I urged fellow conservatives to join Labour and vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I pointed out that you can become a “registered supporter” of the party – a status that entitles you to vote for the next leader – for the princely sum of £3.

I obviously didn’t have Labour’s best interests at heart, but I could see one upside for the party, which is that Corbyn might lay to rest once and for all the crackpot theory that giving the top job to a Marxist is the way to win elections:


Incredibly, Labour doesn’t appear to have learnt anything from its worst defeat since 1935. Those being talked about as Corbyn’s successor, with the possible exception of Keir Starmer, look like certain election losers, not least because they’re too far to the left.

And, just to put the final nail in Labour’s coffin, I’m tempted to start a new campaign. #ToriesForAbbott, perhaps. Or #ToriesForBurgon. Or – yes, he may run as well – #ToriesForGardiner. Three pounds seems a small price to pay to consign Labour to electoral oblivion, which is what I put down as my reason for joining four years ago.

But I’m not going to for two reasons.

First, the talent pool in Labour is so shallow that whoever wins won’t be able to defeat Boris.

Who’s the best of them? Keir Starmer? Not sure the man who helped persuade Corbyn to endorse a second referendum is the person to win back those defectors in the ‘Red Wall’.

Lisa Nandy? Looks good when contrasted with Corbyn, but hardly the sensible centrist the party needs.

Emily Thornberry? You’re having a laugh. No, given the mountain Labour has to climb, the Tory victory in 2024 is nailed on whoever emerges as the winner, so there’s no need to sabotage the race.

Second, helping some loon to become the leader of what is still the second biggest party in Britain in the hope that he or she will make it unelectable is a gamble I don’t want to take again.

The possibility of Corbyn in Number 10, however remote, gave me a lot of sleepless nights in the past four years.

My friends in the City assure me that the mere threat of a Corbyn government damaged the economy because it prevented lots of people investing in British businesses.

Better for the Leader of the Opposition not to be someone who wants to turn the country into Venezuela, even if that helps the Tories’ electoral chances.

So I’m going to stay out of this bun fight and just sit on the sidelines with a bag of popcorn. My work is done."

You mean you have done enough sabotage to the future of the nation, and your "Friends" in the city are the worst sort of idiots, they have actually managed to frighten off the Japanese
What a bunch of dangerous scum they are.
Sit and gloat, it won't stop your little treacherous coup from going wrong through incompetence and greed.

 

[Woosh]

Toby Young having fun:

"Four years ago, during the Labour leadership contest that followed the party’s electoral defeat in 2015, I urged fellow conservatives to join Labour and vote for Jeremy Corbyn.

I pointed out that you can become a “registered supporter” of the party – a status that entitles you to vote for the next leader – for the princely sum of £3.

I obviously didn’t have Labour’s best interests at heart, but I could see one upside for the party, which is that Corbyn might lay to rest once and for all the crackpot theory that giving the top job to a Marxist is the way to win elections:


Incredibly, Labour doesn’t appear to have learnt anything from its worst defeat since 1935. Those being talked about as Corbyn’s successor, with the possible exception of Keir Starmer, look like certain election losers, not least because they’re too far to the left.

And, just to put the final nail in Labour’s coffin, I’m tempted to start a new campaign. #ToriesForAbbott, perhaps. Or #ToriesForBurgon. Or – yes, he may run as well – #ToriesForGardiner. Three pounds seems a small price to pay to consign Labour to electoral oblivion, which is what I put down as my reason for joining four years ago.

But I’m not going to for two reasons.

First, the talent pool in Labour is so shallow that whoever wins won’t be able to defeat Boris.

Who’s the best of them? Keir Starmer? Not sure the man who helped persuade Corbyn to endorse a second referendum is the person to win back those defectors in the ‘Red Wall’.

Lisa Nandy? Looks good when contrasted with Corbyn, but hardly the sensible centrist the party needs.

Emily Thornberry? You’re having a laugh. No, given the mountain Labour has to climb, the Tory victory in 2024 is nailed on whoever emerges as the winner, so there’s no need to sabotage the race.

Second, helping some loon to become the leader of what is still the second biggest party in Britain in the hope that he or she will make it unelectable is a gamble I don’t want to take again.

The possibility of Corbyn in Number 10, however remote, gave me a lot of sleepless nights in the past four years.

My friends in the City assure me that the mere threat of a Corbyn government damaged the economy because it prevented lots of people investing in British businesses.

Better for the Leader of the Opposition not to be someone who wants to turn the country into Venezuela, even if that helps the Tories’ electoral chances.

So I’m going to stay out of this bun fight and just sit on the sidelines with a bag of popcorn. My work is done."

for the next leader of the opposition: it seems that the tories fear some bright young(ish) spark from the middle of the spectrum most.

 

[50Hertz]

The leave voter resurfaces like a Phoenix from the ashes, amazing transformation in a few days, how long before you change your mind again?
Johno's mugs imagine they are on a winner, but nothing has changed, except for the worse
Because we do what???
"because we look after people better here."
Tell that to these people, before you call them names
"An estimated 320,000 people are homeless in the UK, according to the latest research by Shelter. This equates to one in every 201 Brits and was an increase of four per cent on the previous year's number

No, I’m still in favour of remaining part of the EU. I think leaving is a mistake.

The U.K. is a far better place than France if you are vulnerable, poorly, foreign, or have any requirements to interact with authorities. Their food chain is disgusting too.

I don’t think the U.K. has a homeless problem any worse than other developed EU nations. I believe we have about 4000 sleeping rough and truly without any form of accommodation. That’s something we need to address, as do other countries.

You are lucky living in the UK. You would have a far worse time in mainland Europe and you’d be banging on Boris’s door asking to come back if you went there to live. Have some appreciation for what you have, it’s not perfect, but it’s better than France. Be grateful.

 

[oldgroaner]

You could join him.

Amazing the comments little Englanders feel justified to make, who the hell are you to tell people to leave?
Plotters first, off you go.
America would be the obvious choice

 

[oldgroaner]

No, I’m still in favour of remaining part of the EU. I think leaving is a mistake.

The U.K. is a far better place than France if you are vulnerable, poorly, foreign, or have any requirements to interact with authorities. Their food chain is disgusting too.

I don’t think the U.K. has a homeless problem any worse than other developed EU nations. I believe we have about 4000 sleeping rough and truly without any form of accommodation. That’s something we need to address, as do other countries.

You are lucky living in the UK. You would have a far worse time in mainland Europe and you’d be banging on Boris’s door asking to come back if you went there to live. Have some appreciation for what you have, it’s not perfect, but it’s better than France. Be grateful.

What we have isn't because Johno is generous, remember that
As to being lucky to live here I feel no gratitude to the Conservatives for that.
And now they will raid what was achieved, all because mugs voted for them.

 

[oldgroaner]

No, I’m still in favour of remaining part of the EU. I think leaving is a mistake.

The U.K. is a far better place than France if you are vulnerable, poorly, foreign, or have any requirements to interact with authorities. Their food chain is disgusting too.

I don’t think the U.K. has a homeless problem any worse than other developed EU nations. I believe we have about 4000 sleeping rough and truly without any form of accommodation. That’s something we need to address, as do other countries.

You are lucky living in the UK. You would have a far worse time in mainland Europe and you’d be banging on Boris’s door asking to come back if you went there to live. Have some appreciation for what you have, it’s not perfect, but it’s better than France. Be grateful.

Interesting difference between your 4000 and Shelters estimate of 320, 000

 

[50Hertz]

What we have isn't because Johno is generous, remember that
As to being lucky to live here I feel no gratitude to the Conservatives for that.
And now they will raid what was achieved, all because mugs voted for them.

I’m not saying it is down to BoJo or his cronies. What I am saying is that things are not worse here than in the wider EU. In many ways, our standards are higher and our facilities are better.

Now considering that only one Labour MP has won an election in the last 45 years............

 

[50Hertz]

Interesting difference between your 4000 and Shelters estimate of 320, 000

If shelter is saying 320000 people are sleeping rough then that’s bull shite. There may be that many who don’t have a home and rely on sheltered accommodation, but there aren’t that many actually sleeping rough in the streets and parks.

You are beginning to sound like Labour’s Dawn Buttler. You should hear her interview about homelessness with Nick Ferrari on LBC (google it, I heard it live). Absolute comedy gold dust. It’s better than Diane Abbott’s adding up.

 

[Woosh]

from what I see in Southend, I'd put the number of rough sleepers in the region of 10,000-25,000. Most ask you for your change and they just sleep where they work.

 

[Zlatan]

I’m not saying it is down to BoJo or his cronies. What I am saying is that things are not worse here than in the wider EU. In many ways, our standards are higher and our facilities are better.

Now considering that only one Labour MP has won an election in the last 45 years............

And he, s a pariah to current Labour. He, s torylite. Not really labour... (Ken Livingstone's words)

 

[Zlatan]

Amazing the comments little Englanders feel justified to make, who the hell are you to tell people to leave?
Plotters first, off you go.
America would be the obvious choice

I sort of agree people shouldnt tell others to go and live elsewhere for holding certain opinions.... But you have knocked everything about our country for over 3 years now OG and held up the EU as some shining light and the standard to be achieved. I, m afraid that is very wrong and perhaps what you should do is take a drive around EU and take in Northwrn Spain, Marseille and the places off the beaten track. You, d be shocked. Many crime ridden, poverty stricken areas with very racist attitudes. Said it before but if you think our right racist you, d better stay here.
All this arguing is rather pointless now. We are leaving, Labour are dead and reading what is going on never likely to rise from the ashes.
The bubble has burst. The liberal luvvies silenced by a much more astute electorate than remainers / radical left suspect.
Didnt vote for Boris, dont like his track record but he could prove to be a good pm. He is trying to carry out his pledges, he only has to be seen to be trying to do so and he, ll keep those borrowed labour votes.
In mean time Labour bicker amongst themselves with McClyskey showing he, s still major player in there. Political suicide for entire Party.And amazingly some on here are happy our Labour party, our oppostion, our second party, has been hijacked by a radical narrow minded organisation but get upset where Boris goes for a party.
If there is a section of our political system that has been coerced and overun it certainly is not our right. Its the left,well whats left of it.

 

[50Hertz]

This is a Labour shadow minister (Dawn Butler) talking about Labour's grasp on homelessness.

Fills you with confidence doesn't it. I wonder how they managed to lose the election?

 

[50Hertz]

from what I see in Southend, I'd put the number of rough sleepers in the region of 10,000-25,000. Most ask you for your change and they just sleep where they work.

I think we would be stepping over one every 10 paces if that were the case.

Rough sleeping - explore the data

Explore national rough sleeping counts and estimates data since 2010.

www.homeless.org.uk

We should always strive to do better though.

 

[OxygenJames]

I realise you lack the intelligence to see, but so are you, and it is entirely your fault.
Intelligent people don't rely on serial liars and cheats that are manipulated by none elected lunatics to get things done, do they?
And you will get the sort of Government serial liars and cheats excel in.
What fun!

Here's a strange thing - Flecc/anybody have you noticed this? In OG's original post I saw only one line - the top one about me being stupid. But when I clicked on 'reply' suddenly 4 more lines appeared in his quote.

What's with that?

 

[OxygenJames]

Here's a strange thing - Flecc/anybody have you noticed this? In OG's original post I saw only one line - the top one about me being stupid. But when I clicked on 'reply' suddenly 4 more lines appeared in his quote.

What's with that?

Look - here's the original:



And here's what I saw when I pressed reply:



OK - maybe I see - OG did you edit your post to remove the last 4 lines - or maybe added 4 more when editing? I still can't see how come this would happen.

Any ideas anybody?

 

[OxygenJames]

This is a Labour shadow minister (Dawn Butler) talking about Labour's grasp on homelessness. I suppose she hits a few quota targets though.

Fills you with confidence doesn't it. I wonder how they managed to lose the election?

I managed to do two minutes but her voice is so utterly un-inspiring/dead that was it.

We have been saved from such a calamity as people like her in power. Praise be the lord.

 

[OxygenJames]

I realise you lack the intelligence to see, but so are you, and it is entirely your fault.
Intelligent people don't rely on serial liars and cheats that are manipulated by none elected lunatics to get things done, do they?
And you will get the sort of Government serial liars and cheats excel in.
What fun!

I get it now. I refreshed my page and suddenly I see 4 more lines in OGs original.

So he must have added those in an edit after sending the original in with just one line.

OK.