Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Boris has stepped in another pile of poo with this one

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1125148989308002306

BREAKING: It has come to light that the judge who threw out
@MarcusJBall’s case against Boris Johnson used to be Johnson’s lawyer.

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[Zlatan]

And you voted Corbyn or so you say.
Bit odd to say the least don't you think?
I voted for Labour because it seemed the best chance of a referendum, nothing more, nothing less, what's your reason?

I liked his spending plan on Welfare etc thought he was slightly lesser of two evils. But that doesnt stop me seeing faults with Corbyn, Labour and why they lost. Neither does it stop me seeing the possible benefits of BJ, like I, ve said before, the size of his majority at least makes for a decisive government and he might just have to deliver his pledges owing to his "loan" of labour voters.
The reason we have Boris is simply because Labour are so poor. Not seeing that will likely see Tories in power for another 20 years.
Seems yourself and flecc simply want to perpetuate situation over last 3 years.

 

[50Hertz]

................Junked Workers rights.................

Which workers rights has Boris Johnson abolished? Just give me the top three, I don’t need you to tell me all of them. Cheers.

 

[oldgroaner]

Of course Parliament has a say in the deal he negotiates. His 360 acolytes are all MPs with exactly the same power as his. That they will choose to say nothing is still a choice and is a say.

Not so an extension will be made illegal even if they change their mind

 

[oldgroaner]

I liked his spending plan on Welfare etc thought he was slightly lesser of two evils. But that doesnt stop me seeing faults with Corbyn, Labour and why they lost. Neither does it stop me seeing the possible benefits of BJ, like I, ve said before, the size of his majority at least makes for a decisive government and he might just have to deliver his pledges owing to his "loan" of labour voters.
The reason we have Boris is simply because Labour are so poor. Not seeing that will likely see Tories in power for another 20 years.
Seems yourself and flecc simply want to perpetuate situation over last 3 years.

Actually we want to end it to the advantage of the nation not the 1% at the top.

 

[oldgroaner]

Which workers rights has Boris Johnson abolished? Just give me the top three, I don’t need you to tell me all of them. Cheers.

This in the Independent and other sources too
"Downing Street confirmed that British judges would be handed powers to challenge ECJ rulings through a new clause in Mr Johnson’s Brexit legislation, which MPs will vote on before Christmas.
The move would see the prime minister rip up Theresa May’s commitment to transfer all EU law onto the domestic statute books, which meant it could only be overturned by the Supreme Court or the High Court of Justiciary in Scotland.
Under new plans, UK judges in lower courts would be given powers to overturn ECJ rulings, prompting fears over protections on workers rights and regulations enshrined in European law."

Effectively he can change, alter reduce or cancel any or all rights, the right of industrial action being the first that will go, and of course Zero hours contracts will boom.

Are you happy that he has this power to do what the hell takes his fancy?
I'm not and when he uses them people will be upset to say the least.
It's all good stuff, I look forward to the mess he will make with these powers.
Virtually you have voted him the powers of a Dictator.
And all for the fear of having to open your wallet a little, eh?

So now you are going to give some bull about how terms and conditions for workers will improve under his new version of the regulations on workers rights?
Care to explain what would impel him to do something utterly out of character?
Very Droll , very droll indeed.
Enjoy the Government you deserve.
This was two days ago
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/boris-johnson/news/108648/government-enshrine-workers
"
First this
A promise by Boris Johnson not to water down workers' rights after the UK leaves the EU is to be enshrined in a new law, it has emerged.
The Prime Minister had initially included the proposed changes in the Withdrawal Agreement Bill as he tried to secure Labour MPs' backing for it before the general election.
Then this on the same page!
Downing Street hinted on Monday that when the WAB returns to the Commons this week, it will be stripped of those pledges - triggering an angry backlash from opposition parties.


He has Broken a promise he made just two days ago to recognise the EU rights hasn't he?

 

[flecc]

Ah, I thought so. It’s ok for Labour to do it, but not the Conservatives. Just the same as we can’t send our children to public school, but you can if you are a Labour MP. Got it now, but I must be a racist, thanks

No, not a racist, a bigot.

By starting with yes in my reply, I agreed with you that it wasn't ok for Labour either, but your bigotry is so extreme that you couldn't cope with my agreement so still insulted.
.

 

[Zlatan]

Actually we want to end it to the advantage of the nation not the 1% at the top.

How, by waiting? You havent suggested anything. By your arguments Labour party stay unchanged waiting for electorate to get educated and pesky tories die of old age.
Just grumbling at tories pointless. They need an opposition to oppose them. Corbyn didnt.

 

[oldgroaner]

How, by waiting? You havent suggested anything. By your arguments Labour party stay unchanged waiting for electorate to get educated and pesky tories die of old age.
Just grumbling at tories pointless. They need an opposition to oppose them. Corbyn didnt.

I don't think you have realised yet that when 53% voted for parties against Brexit but this still resulted in a landslide win for the 47% who voted for Brexit, it's pointless wanting to change the labour party.
It has passed it's sell by date.
There are simply too many opposition parties to do any good, and frankly no hope of change coming through the parliamentary system.
Either Brexit will succeed and people will be happy, which is fine, or else there will be trouble as i predicted.
Then you need to worry what sort of Farage emerges to ride on that wave, don't you?
Patience...

 

[oldgroaner]

So what emerges from the Queens speech?

1) Workers rights binned: the key protections in clause 34 now dropped entirely. No clarity on when or what rights workers will have in law by December next year.
2) New December 2020 cliff edge enshrined in law. The new Clause 33 sets a new one year cliff edge for our manufacturers and jobs, damaging our economy.
3) No environment or consumer rights protections. All of Gove's promises of a Green Brexit are nowhere to be seen.
4) The trade deal process will now be conducted in secret, with the EU Parliament having more power and scrutiny than British MPs. What happened to taking back control?
5) The previous Clause 31, which Liza Nandy and Gareth Snell put forward, made Ministers publish their objectives, have a vote on them in Parliament, and a vote on the final deal. This has all been dropped, which sends an alarming signal about the secrecy of talks with Trump.
6) Most disgracefully, Boris has u-turned on the promises made to child refugees and EU citizens - who've made the UK their home. New provisions mean the watchdog can be axed at the stroke of a pen by Ministers.

If you actually wanted the country run into the ground by a Dictator, then voting Conservative wasn't stupid.

 

[daveboy]

His problem after that is to make Mays deal look like the best thing since sliced bread, otherwise he will be remembered for crashing out without a deal.
Not how an egotist like Boris wants History to remember him.

Make your mind up OG, you've been saying for months that Boris wants to leave with no deal.

 

[50Hertz]

This in the Independent and other sources too
"Downing Street confirmed that British judges would be handed powers to challenge ECJ rulings through a new clause in Mr Johnson’s Brexit legislation, which MPs will vote on before Christmas.
The move would see the prime minister rip up Theresa May’s commitment to transfer all EU law onto the domestic statute books, which meant it could only be overturned by the Supreme Court or the High Court of Justiciary in Scotland.
Under new plans, UK judges in lower courts would be given powers to overturn ECJ rulings, prompting fears over protections on workers rights and regulations enshrined in European law."

Effectively he can change, alter reduce or cancel any or all rights, the right of industrial action being the first that will go, and of course Zero hours contracts will boom.

Are you happy that he has this power to do what the hell takes his fancy?
I'm not and when he uses them people will be upset to say the least.
It's all good stuff, I look forward to the mess he will make with these powers.
Virtually you have voted him the powers of a Dictator.
And all for the fear of having to open your wallet a little, eh?

So now you are going to give some bull about how terms and conditions for workers will improve under his new version of the regulations on workers rights?
Care to explain what would impel him to do something utterly out of character?
Very Droll , very droll indeed.
Enjoy the Government you deserve.
This was two days ago
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/boris-johnson/news/108648/government-enshrine-workers
"
First this
A promise by Boris Johnson not to water down workers' rights after the UK leaves the EU is to be enshrined in a new law, it has emerged.
The Prime Minister had initially included the proposed changes in the Withdrawal Agreement Bill as he tried to secure Labour MPs' backing for it before the general election.
Then this on the same page!
Downing Street hinted on Monday that when the WAB returns to the Commons this week, it will be stripped of those pledges - triggering an angry backlash from opposition parties.


He has Broken a promise he made just two days ago to recognise the EU rights hasn't he?

So, no workers rights have been abolished. But a change has been made whereby workers rights COULD be adjusted, as has always been the case, but the final arbiter on fairness of any such adjustments will be the U.K., and not the EU.

Not quite what you initially wrote, I think you applied a bit of “Daily Mail” licence to your interpretation!

 

[50Hertz]

No, not a racist, a bigot.

Thank you for your kind words.

Merry Christmas.

I still love you.

 

[50Hertz]

I’m intrigued to know how the chinless Matt Hand Cock is going to “enforce compulsory flu vaccination” on ALL of his NHS Staff.

Will he have vaccination squads, dressed like Nazi Concentration Camp Doctors who chase people down, apply restraints and then stick needles into them? Or will he go for a more subtle approach? Something like dropping £1 coins on the staff canteen floor, and when people bend down to retrieve them, sneak up behind and stick needles into their arses. I’m fascinated and can’t wait to see how this is going to play out.

One thing for certain, with such an announcement from The Health Secretary, I’m sure he’s endeared himself to all NHS at a very early stage. Crack on.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

So, no workers rights have been abolished. But a change has been made whereby workers rights COULD be adjusted, as has always been the case, but the final arbiter on fairness of any such adjustments will be the U.K., and not the EU.

Not quite what you initially wrote, I think you applied a bit of “Daily Mail” licence to your interpretation!

"could be adjusted", "final arbiter of fairness"? No doubt the tooth fairy and Santa are your favouritest peeps?

 

[oldgroaner]

Make your mind up OG, you've been saying for months that Boris wants to leave with no deal.

Make my mind up? about what?
He did want no deal indeed, but now fears the responsibility, my mind hasn't changed, his problem is he had to sell no deal to the ERG and Tufton Street for support, now he doesn't need them and it frightens him that he may be seen historically as the man who ruined Brexit

Do you see me having changed my mind somewhere in that? I don't.
And if you think back I also said Boris will change his mind to the point he will accept Mays Deal and even end up campaigning for what amounts to remain.

 

[oyster]

Our unbeloved PM now wants to take control of language:

According to the Huffington Post, the prime minister has ordered officials to drop the term “Brexit” once the Wab passes and the UK leaves the EU on 31 January as planned.

Looks like the very word is toxic rather than an achievement. People who try to manipulate language could have the charge of "propagandist" levelled at them.

 

[50Hertz]

"could be adjusted", "final arbiter of fairness"? No doubt the tooth fairy and Santa are your favouritest peeps?

I was just pointing out that no workers rights have been trashed, as OG put it. I know it’s racist of me to highlight this, but it’s true.

 

[oldgroaner]

So, no workers rights have been abolished. But a change has been made whereby workers rights COULD be adjusted, as has always been the case, but the final arbiter on fairness of any such adjustments will be the U.K., and not the EU.

Not quite what you initially wrote, I think you applied a bit of “Daily Mail” licence to your interpretation!

If Workers rights "could be adjusted" the they ain't guaranteed are they?
Spin your way out of that!
The final arbiter will be Cummings not the UK in the guise of Johnson's Merry Government stooges,they have no say do they ? he has proved that already with his law against seeking an extension.
You have voted for a dictator haven't you?
parliament has effectively been abolished for one man rule.
Worst of all that man hasn't been elected and he's a nut case.
Oh and by the way I wouldn't trust Boris's word not to renege on that if the EU press him for a deal, or anything else he pledged for that matter.
But then if you vote for Monkeys , all you can expect is empty peanut shells and banana skins

 

[oldgroaner]

I was just pointing out that no workers rights have been trashed, as OG put it. I know it’s racist of me to highlight this, but it’s true.

Yes they have ,they are now optional not guaranteed, and if you don't want the power to change them, why would you do that?
Are you really placing your trust in the worst liar in the country not to abuse power?