He wants people to forget it happened and he is the main character to blame
In his position I would do the same, but it won't work.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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In his position I would do the same, but it won't work.
Yes you're right....and I have now changed my mind about you changing your mind.
Nothing has changed. Workers rights today are the same as they were last week, so they have not been trashed. They may or may not be trashed in the future, but that hasn’t happened, yet.If Workers rights "could be adjusted" the they ain't guaranteed are they?
Spin your way out of that!
The final arbiter will be Cummings not the UK in the guise of Johnson's Merry Government stooges,they have no say do they ? he has proved that already with his law against seeking an extension.
You have voted for a dictator haven't you?
parliament has effectively been abolished for one man rule.
Worst of all that man hasn't been elected and he's a nut case.
Oh and by the way I wouldn't trust Boris's word not to renege on that if the EU press him for a deal, or anything else he pledged for that matter.
But then if you vote for Monkeys , all you can expect is empty peanut shells and banana skins
Not racist - expedient, disingenuous maybe. If I were to get on a very tall soap box, stuart mill's cliche about "those who do nothing " and evil comes to mind.
Cant see Farage being that involved now. He, s helped Tories but what force he had is spent. I agree with OJ, he has done good job of providing an outlet and focal point for far right, he, s also tainted them somewhat with his brand of media relations. He doesn't deserve a knighthood though, so he, ll probably get one.
And come on if Farage is our extreme right its hardly worrying is it? He, s no Mosely is he?
And 50 is neither racist or bigot. Seems people cant express opinions in our brave new world.
JK Rowling expressed opinion that men cant become women and women cant become men. She, s labelled a transphobic bigot and gets more attention than she did with Harry Potter. She, s entitled to think and say what she wants. Personally think she has a point, not exactly agreeing with her but... Criticise our immigration system at all and you are a racist. Criticise our left wing and you are Tory Scum. Its this very atmosphere that has allowed Labour party to be hijacked by far left. You cant defend Blair, or Campbell. They are Tory lite, not real Labour.
Fortunately country saw some sense and saw in Boris the exact opposite. His past, his lies his attitude, his none PC vocabulary all worked in his favour. Its called free speech. Under Labour at moment it would be a thing of past. (ask Sarah Champion)
Hight time Labour got of its high horse, dropped the ideals and lived in real world where such as Abott and Corbyn are actually talentless. They should not be running country. And as I, ve said in past I joined Labour party in 1979 as Thatcher rose to prominence.
We could now definitely have had a Labour party in power. Not flecc's Labour, not Corbyn's either but one involving him screaming for workers rights in mold of Skinner. Instead we have Tories. Well done left. It has been biggest missed opportunity for Labour in its entire history. Country was crying out for a real alternative to May and Tories. Corbyn, Abott, McDonnel, McCluskey, Unite and Momentum were best Labour could come up with.
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I’m liking the idea of making it mandatory to provide photographic ID before being allowed to vote in an election. Good move.
Their right for protection of those rights has been removed, that has already happened, even though previously they were guaranteed.
You really have reverted to type, haven't you? Tory through and through.
Hardly worrying, yet was a major force for Brexit? good grief!
And if he doesn't like the Brexit Boris get's he's promised like the plague to be back.
And liking being at the mercy of whatever else the unelected first citizen Cummings decrees too?
Just saying that it’s not unreasonable to expect people to identify themselves at a polling station. Why could anyone object to that? Unless of course they are 35th Mr Tghjksdbeazxm from 2 Accia Avenue voting for labour.
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Employment rights need a body to enforce them and that body is the unions. The unions are absent, they have drifted off and become fixated on anti-Tory campaigning.
I’ve mentioned before that my wife needed UNISON to support her with an employment issue. They were totally disinterested to the point of rudeness. There was a genuine case, because we funded it ourselves, and won.
Unions / Labour are completely useless, so what’s the point of golden standard employment legislation if no one is going to enforce it?
I agree with you that our unions are completely useless. But that has nothing to do with Corbyn or current Labour or Blair and his Labour version.
The unions had lost their way and became useless over 50 years ago. Despite my left wing inclinations I effectively shut down any chance of the workplace I managed becoming unionised when an attempt was made to do that, since I could see the harm they would do to those they purport to represent.
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I thought Labour were supposed to be the political arm of the unions. It's up to Labour and the Unions to get working people on their side. That's their job and why they exist. They seem to be doing everything but that at the moment, thus making Conservatives more appealing to workers and a reluctant choice.
I think the German unions have a constructive, meaningful and active relationship with the boards of the companies their workers are employed by. That has to be the most healthy way forward. Can't see that happening here though.
But of course, this UK government has not passed any legislation yet nor has it left the EU.
I agree with you, I, ve witnessed the negative side of unions in at least 2 industries but this comment is very much at odds with your support of current Labour. They are closer and under more influence by unions than ever before. I know Labour movement grew through Unions but in past maintained a much closer association with working class as a whole and had gifted intelligent people guiding them. Tony Benn, Wilson, Atlee, even Foot were great at appealing to a much larger audience and very clever people. Neither can be said of current group steering labour.
Starmer is starting to make right noises but his back ground and stance witj McCluskey will rule him out with current membership. He, s too posh isnt he. Corbyn always hid his wealth much better???
Corbyn should have had more grace yesterday. Looked very poor in defeat.
Because it's absence means you are at the complete mercy of whoever employs you? and how do you excuse voting for the very people who champion that?
Masochistic principles?
Agreed, even the American unions often have a more constructive approach. We do seem to have an uncanny knack of getting so many things wrong here in Britain.
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I agree. Labour needs a line up of bright sparks in their shop window. It doesn't matter if they are posh or educated, they need clever thinkers who represent ordinary working population and their aspirations. The current miserable line up seems to be a kind of Frankenstein's monster made up of quotas and offal.
My, haven't you regressed to the vote leaver you started off as?
How long will this new found loyalty of yours last this time?
As I've posted more than once, I only wanted Corbyn in for one term, also remarking that was all he would get anyway. I wanted that to get the minimal re-nationalisation of some essentials like rail and water where privatisation had done great and lasting harm.
Only a committed socialist like Corbyn would do that, another wishy washy wimp like Blair would never have the courage or inclination.
And as I've also posted many times, the Tory policies do need to be balanced by an intermittent dose of socialist correction. In the decades when that was happening I voted Tory more often than Labour since I have no political affiliation and recognise the value of both in our first past the post system.
All along I've wanted to have proportional representation to avoid that need for that alternation and consequent destabilisation, but the self seeking Tories will never allow that, recognising it would destroy their majority hold on power.
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