Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

As I said, I'd like a soft brexit and EFTA membership but OG/Flecc/50 etc have convinced me that staying in the middle of the road has no future.

And the LibDems should have convinced you of that long ago, the middle indeed has no future. We need the balance of both left and right alternation in power, unless and until we get proportional representation when the middle will finally make sense.

The left will return to power eventually, but it will take time and the accumulation of the suffering the right eventually inflicts to do that. The history shows that clearly.
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[50Hertz]

But still London persists in being the Socialist Labour city it's almost always been, and by far the most successful part of the country.

In the brief period in the 1980s that your Tory government took over the running directly by scrapping the GLC, it was such a disaster that they had to admit defeat, give up and hand it back to Labour in London to run it well again.

That's the truth, the Tories can't run anything successfully for all the people. Their second try with Boris Johnson as the worst and most costly London mayor of all proved it.
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London isn’t like anywhere else in the U.K. it’s just a piece of land where people from all over the U.K. gravitate towards because it happens to be the capital. That’s all. That’s what makes it “successful.”

If history had dictated that Litchfield was the capital city, that would be “the most successful” because the talent would gravitate there, to the capital.

 

[flecc]

I listened to Corbyn and he was trying to promise all things to all people, plus bolt-on stupidity. It was never going to work.

In 1945 Attlee did the same. The Tories said it was impossible then, but Attlee delivered on what he promised.

You don't know what Corbyn could have delivered. Instead like so many you just believed the Tory propaganda and lies and continue to spout it.

Corbyn deserved a one term try, he could hardly have made a bigger mess than the Tories have since 2010. Try police numbers down 16% since then and street crime out of control nationally for starters.
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[jonathan.agnew]

London isn’t like anywhere else in the U.K. it’s just a piece of land where people from all over the U.K. gravitate towards because it happens to be the capital. That’s all. That’s what makes it “successful.”

If history had dictated that Litchfield was the capital city, that would be “the most successful” because the talent would gravitate there, to the capital.

Not really, freedom is what liberates human capital. Freedom of movement, thought, expression. It's why south africa is not a korean tiger. Fifty years of apartheid had the exact opposite effect of the freedom taking root in South Korea.. I can appreciate that that's difficult to grasp in the controlling contrived world of a tory.

 

[flecc]

London isn’t like anywhere else in the U.K. it’s just a piece of land where people from all over the U.K. gravitate towards because it happens to be the capital. That’s all. That’s what makes it “successful.”

So why didn't that unbridled success continue when the Tories with Thatcher took over its running and messed up twice in big ways? If you were right it would have done.
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[flecc]

We should be running country. Pedelec Party.

Restricted of course.
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[Woosh]

You don't know what Corbyn could have delivered.

of course we don't but I know this for sure: whatever Corbyn could have invested, it will be privatised sooner or later.

 

[flecc]

free e-bikes for all pensioners!

Bugger that, too wet and cold. They'll stick with Labour's Dial a Ride, a warm dry ride with assistance.
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[flecc]

of course we don't but I know this for sure: whatever Corbyn could have invested, it will be privatised sooner or later.

Which is why we have to make do with alternation in power to restrict such moves, until we get proportional representation.
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[Danidl]

Labour were not clear. I listened to Corbyn and he was trying to promise all things to all people, plus bolt-on stupidity. It was never going to work.

Labour fuckedup. It’s that simple. They should have been the party of a second referendum, no-deal out, or in. Nothing else.

Actually Corbyn was very clear... in the way a competent,but bored teacher is in discussing cross multiplication ,but was drowned out by the simple mantra. Anyone who thinks Brexit can be done by January is SIMPLE. Even the more astute will assume January 2021, and not the more plausible January 2030 Unfortunately there were millions who want to believe it.

 

[oldgroaner]

You dont understand the level of hate against Tories in Rothervalley that Labour have managed to purge.
It wasnt the attraction of BJ it was the repulsion of current labour, another referendum, cheap bribes and more indecision.
Tories didnt win Labour lost.

Doesn't matter now, does it?

 

[Zlatan]

Doesn't matter now, does it?

Why its happened matters a lot. If Labour dont learn from the lessons they will never get in power and leave Tories to run amock for next 30 years.
Agreed, me and thee might be pastures new...
Like Eintein said... Reality is just a persistent illusion.

 

[oldgroaner]

Given the miserable line up on the other side of Brexit, yes, they were wise to vote Tory and hence Brexit.

Really? my goodness you really go where the wind blows, don't you?

Ah well Boris is going to pass a law to prevent extensions if he?
https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/11/25/strapped-in-and-outplayed-how-boris-johnson-s-brexit-plan-un

Any chance of an offer to "Die in a ditch" perchance?
And todays thumping great lie
"We are the party of the people"
Strange that 45% voted for him and 55% against, but then if you add
We are the party of 1% of the richest people"
It works much better

 

[oldgroaner]

Why its happened matters a lot. If Labour dont learn from the lessons they will never get in power and leave Tories to run amock for next 30 years.
Agreed, me and thee might be pastures new...
Like Eintein said... Reality is just a persistent illusion.

Actually I'm not expecting to last for five more years, so it's getting a bit academic really.

 

[oldgroaner]

In 1945 Attlee did the same. The Tories said it was impossible then, but Attlee delivered on what he promised.

You don't know what Corbyn could have delivered. Instead like so many you just believed the Tory propaganda and lies and continue to spout it.

Corbyn deserved a one term try, he could hardly have made a bigger mess than the Tories have since 2010. Try police numbers down 16% since then and street crime out of control nationally for starters.
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Nor a bigger mess than the one that voting for them has inflicted on us all.

 

[oyster]

Going down...

 

[Woosh]

Going down...

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the Pound is lower than same time two years ago after TM lost her election.

Brexit is bad for the Pound. That hasn't changed.

 

[50Hertz]

Actually Corbyn was very clear... in the way a competent,but bored teacher is in discussing cross multiplication ,but was drowned out by the simple mantra. Anyone who thinks Brexit can be done by January is SIMPLE. Even the more astute will assume January 2021, and not the more plausible January 2030 Unfortunately there were millions who want to believe it.

Labour should have adopted a simple pledge system with a maximum of three clear aims. (1) A second referendum (2) To spend X on the NHS, funded by Y in order to achieve Z (3) To invest X in schools, funded by Y in order to achieve Z. They could have written it on a card and delivered it to people's homes.

Instead, they sent out a very tortured, unclear and chaotic message.

The straw which broke the camels back for me was the fifty eight thousand million pounds worth of extra and unplanned spend on WASPI. This was spend committed on an absolute whim with no more than 48 hours worth of planning, thought or consideration for where the money was going to come from. This confirmed a nagging suspicion that Labour were going to absolutely trash the economy.

Not a single person in their shadow cabinet has run a business. Corbyn doesn't even look like a leader and that is important. They are completely clueless and they are dangerous and that is why they lost. People don't like them.

They now need to re-build with proper people, not regional accented sceeching slappers, retards and gob-shites. Keir Starmer might be a good start, at least he has run something, has an investigative mind and speaks English.

 

[oldgroaner]

The biggest danger to Boris Johnsons rule is his mouth.
Pound election gains wiped out after Boris Johnson rules out further Brexit delays
The pound saw all gains made following Boris Johnson's election victory wiped out after he planned to prevent any future extensions to the Brexit transition period.

I think that will pass for "Todays stupid Boris Gaffe" award.
He thought he was intimidating the EU and did it to the Market instead.
Sheer genius! best possible choice to cock up Brexit

 

[oldgroaner]

Labour should have adopted a simple pledge system with a maximum of three clear aims. (1) A second referendum (2) To spend X on the NHS, funded by Y in order to achieve Z (3) To invest X in schools, funded by Y in order to achieve Z. They could have written it on a card and delivered it to people's homes.

Instead, they sent out a very tortured, unclear and chaotic message.

The straw which broke the camels back for me was the fifty eight thousand million pounds worth of extra and unplanned spend on WASPI. This was spend committed on an absolute whim with no more than 48 hours worth of planning, thought or consideration for where the money was going to come from. This confirmed a nagging suspicion that Labour were going to absolutely trash the economy.

Not a single person in their shadow cabinet has run a business. Corbyn doesn't even look like a leader and that is important. They are completely clueless and they are dangerous and that is why they lost. People don't like them.

They now need to re-build with proper people, not regional accented sceeching slappers, retards and gob-shites. Keir Starmer might be a good start, at least he has run something, has an investigative mind and speaks English.

And so in your wisdom you voted in a mafia of liars cheats and con artists who are incompetent to run a whelk stall at the seaside that will ruin not merely the economy, but everything else as well, and instead of regretting that, you come out with this load of right wing propaganda as a "The dog ate my homework" excuse?
and all because you thought the contents of your wallet were under threat.

Will it still be labour's fault when Boris cocks up big style? or will it be the big bad EU?
The buck my friend starts with the people that voted for this Government.
You won, stop making excuses and praying to be rescued in five years time.