That was a monumentally stupid plan, which exposed Corbyn’s Labour for what it is, monumentally stupid. A fifty eight thousand million pound 48 hour plan. Idiots.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Here we go again
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-workers-rights-environment-climate-change-election-a9248611.html
Boris Johnson could ditch promise to protect workers' rights and environmental protections after Brexit, No 10 suggests
Downing Street refuses to confirm that pledges made to MPs in October will be included in amended Brexit bill this week
Boris Johnson has fuelled fears that workers’ rights and environmental safeguards will be ditched after Brexit after the government watered down a promise to enshrine them in law.
Downing Street suggested that the prime minister is no longer committed to pledges, made to MPs before the general election, to guarantee that standards will not be weakened when Britain leaves the EU.
A promise that MPs would be given a vote on whether or not to extend the transition period at the end of 2020 to avoid leaving the EU without a trade deal has also been ditched and will not be included in a key Brexit bill to be reintroduced this week.
The pledges were made by Mr Johnson and his team in October as they attempted to convince MPs to vote for the prime minister’s Brexit deal.
The bill implementing the deal passed its early stages in the Commons before Mr Johnson opted to pull the plug and instead call a general election. The subsequent poll delivered a governing majority of 80 for the Conservatives."
I wonder if the 3% of voters who moved from Labour to Conservative realise the consequences?
I did point out that the Bill posted on here showed that protecting workers rights was only an aspiration not a guarantee.
"Acts of Parliament: statements of non-regression (1) A Minister of the Crown in charge of a relevant Bill in either House of Parliament must, before Second Reading of the Bill— (a) make a statement to the effect that in the Minister’s view the provisions of the Bill will not result in the law of the relevant part or parts of the United Kingdom failing to confer any pre-exit EU workers’ right (a “statement of non-regression”), or (b) make a statement to the effect that although the Minister is unable to make a statement of non-regression the government nevertheless wishes the House to proceed with the Bill.
"References to rights being of the same kind as new EU workers’ rights are to be read as references to rights being of the same kind so far as that is possible within the different legal framework established by the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 on and after the relevant day.
So there you have it, both the likelihood of a no deal outcome and workers right promises out of the window and of course out goes care for the elderly.
And this in just the first week!
Not a good start Cummings
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-workers-rights-environment-climate-change-election-a9248611.html
Boris Johnson could ditch promise to protect workers' rights and environmental protections after Brexit, No 10 suggests
Downing Street refuses to confirm that pledges made to MPs in October will be included in amended Brexit bill this week
Boris Johnson has fuelled fears that workers’ rights and environmental safeguards will be ditched after Brexit after the government watered down a promise to enshrine them in law.
Downing Street suggested that the prime minister is no longer committed to pledges, made to MPs before the general election, to guarantee that standards will not be weakened when Britain leaves the EU.
A promise that MPs would be given a vote on whether or not to extend the transition period at the end of 2020 to avoid leaving the EU without a trade deal has also been ditched and will not be included in a key Brexit bill to be reintroduced this week.
The pledges were made by Mr Johnson and his team in October as they attempted to convince MPs to vote for the prime minister’s Brexit deal.
The bill implementing the deal passed its early stages in the Commons before Mr Johnson opted to pull the plug and instead call a general election. The subsequent poll delivered a governing majority of 80 for the Conservatives."
I wonder if the 3% of voters who moved from Labour to Conservative realise the consequences?
I did point out that the Bill posted on here showed that protecting workers rights was only an aspiration not a guarantee.
"Acts of Parliament: statements of non-regression (1) A Minister of the Crown in charge of a relevant Bill in either House of Parliament must, before Second Reading of the Bill— (a) make a statement to the effect that in the Minister’s view the provisions of the Bill will not result in the law of the relevant part or parts of the United Kingdom failing to confer any pre-exit EU workers’ right (a “statement of non-regression”), or (b) make a statement to the effect that although the Minister is unable to make a statement of non-regression the government nevertheless wishes the House to proceed with the Bill.
"References to rights being of the same kind as new EU workers’ rights are to be read as references to rights being of the same kind so far as that is possible within the different legal framework established by the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 on and after the relevant day.
So there you have it, both the likelihood of a no deal outcome and workers right promises out of the window and of course out goes care for the elderly.
And this in just the first week!
Not a good start Cummings
I actually don’t think it is. I voted for a confirmed and proven liar in preference to Labour’s money orgy.
That "money orgy" would have cost you nothing, but greed has dropped you in it again, enjoy your choice.
Whatever happens now you are not a victim, you knew what you were voting for.
In a way it's good to have you back defending the other side, much more acceptable than the rubbish efforts of late.
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And I nearly missed this;Michael Gove in to be put in charge of the EU-UK deal.
The man who famously said as Education Secretary "We want all schools to be above average"? demonstrating as amazing grasp of "sums"
Really if I had the chance to nobble the chances of this Brexit farce being a winner, I could not do better than stand back and laugh at the decisions and appointments being made.
The man who famously said as Education Secretary "We want all schools to be above average"? demonstrating as amazing grasp of "sums"
Really if I had the chance to nobble the chances of this Brexit farce being a winner, I could not do better than stand back and laugh at the decisions and appointments being made.
The office for Brudget responsibility has stated the changes Boris is making to spending will add £47.6bn this year, and the accounting shake up adds a total of £116.46 bn over the six years from 2018-19 to 2023-4
Did someone say the Labour spending plans were mad?
Who is going to have to cough up these sums?
The thing to note is that these are ADDITIONAL SUMS not what was originally intended.
It's all coming together very nicely, isn't it?
Cummings is proving to be the Rasputin in the Conservative Imperial court, i knew we could rely on him.
Imagine the fun he will have toying with procurement for the War Office!
What insanity has taken over the Conservative party to use this nut case?
Did someone say the Labour spending plans were mad?
Who is going to have to cough up these sums?
The thing to note is that these are ADDITIONAL SUMS not what was originally intended.
It's all coming together very nicely, isn't it?
Cummings is proving to be the Rasputin in the Conservative Imperial court, i knew we could rely on him.
Imagine the fun he will have toying with procurement for the War Office!
What insanity has taken over the Conservative party to use this nut case?
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The money orgy would have cost me and others workers and financially responsible people dearly. There would have been FA to show for it, for anyone.
Any party that can spaff fifty eight thousand million pounds on a whim in 48 hours is highly dangerous and irresponsible. They are going to spunk your money away. Johnson, although abhorrent in many way, is a better option.
Corbyn's plan would have been stymied in Parliament, Johnson's cannot be! and you squandered the chance to have a second referendum because it might hurt your wallet.
And what have you achieved ?
Your wallet can't be protected by parliament, the Tory spending plans have no visible means of support other than the very wallet you were worried about.
And there is no reason to be happy with the unelected Cummings spannering the workings of the Civil Service.
Bad mistake
On the credit side you have voted to protect the offshore tax swindles of the rich and Fox hunting will make a come back, and made the rights of workers and welfare protection vulnerable to further cuts
All Tory aspirations.
Worst of all you have voted for Brexit TWICE.
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The Junta tightens it's grip
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/16/tories-appoint-brexit-supporting-experts-peers-bid-balance-remainiac/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_AtkjqPmCj1lh
Tories to appoint Brexit-supporting experts as peers in a bid to balance the 'Remainiac' House of Lords
Next they'll go for the judiciary
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/16/tories-appoint-brexit-supporting-experts-peers-bid-balance-remainiac/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_AtkjqPmCj1lh
Tories to appoint Brexit-supporting experts as peers in a bid to balance the 'Remainiac' House of Lords
Next they'll go for the judiciary
Meanwhile in the real world
www.cityam.com
And pound jumped a fair chunk.
Even Carney making positive noises.
FTSE 100 surges after UK election result and trade deal ease uncertainty
The FTSE 100 has soared after the Conservatives’ election victory and a US-China trade deal helped ease uncertainties that have weighed on markets.
www.cityam.com
And pound jumped a fair chunk.
Even Carney making positive noises.
As you seem to beMeanwhile in the real world
FTSE 100 surges after UK election result and trade deal ease uncertainty
The FTSE 100 has soared after the Conservatives’ election victory and a US-China trade deal helped ease uncertainties that have weighed on markets.
And pound jumped a fair chunk.
Even Carney making positive noises.
Without a doubt some means of shoring up the economy will be given by the EU, as we said before, but that isn't the long term problems is it?
And even more recently:Meanwhile in the real world
FTSE 100 surges after UK election result and trade deal ease uncertainty
The FTSE 100 has soared after the Conservatives’ election victory and a US-China trade deal helped ease uncertainties that have weighed on markets.
And pound jumped a fair chunk.
Even Carney making positive noises.
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The selloff is gathering pace! Sterling is now down more than a cent against the US dollar at $1.322.
AND
19m ago 08:12
UK company shares fall as markets face Brexit reality
Shares in some UK-focused companies are sliding in early trading, as Brexit fears make an unwelcome reappearance on trading floors.
Housebuilders are among the top fallers, with Barratt Development losing 3.4% and Taylor Wimpey down 2%.
Banks are also under pressure, with Lloyds down 4% and Royal Bank of Scotland dropping by 3%.
Traders are getting a dose of Brexit reality, says Kyle Rodda of IG, recognising that the trade deal negotiations between London and Brussels will be tough next year.
There was a small hiccup this morning in the markets, that might be described as a bit of a reality check.
Stocks and futures markets had their wings clipped by news that UK PM Boris Johnson is planning to pass legislation that would legally block the Brexit transition period from extending beyond December 2020.
Labour’s new “Dream Team” Rebecca Wrong-Daily & ”foghorn attack dog” Angela Raynor. Why don’t they go all the way and propose Diane Abbott as chancellor?
Boris Johnson and the Conservatives literally can not go wrong if Labour continue to misrepresent the public so spectacularly. The thinking inside the London Bubble is out of kilter with sanity, it is actually like a comedy sketch.
Boris Johnson and the Conservatives literally can not go wrong if Labour continue to misrepresent the public so spectacularly. The thinking inside the London Bubble is out of kilter with sanity, it is actually like a comedy sketch.
Its fiddling around anyway. Entire party needs to change. Unite/ Momentum must be just a part of Labour and not Labour in its entirety. If this doesnt happen Labour will be along lines of Libdem. Almost an insignificance.. A holder of balance of power at best and never the power itself.
But those in the bubble can never see the big picture. They will stick to the dogma, ideals and negativity and blame media, Scotland, Tories and anything but the party itself.
It really doesn't matter does it? what's the point of blaming them? they didn't vote for Boris.
