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Danidl

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Probably but flecc's premise is correct. People at 17 and 18 are not children, which was flecc's point agreeing with my opinion over Oyster's.
My 40 year old son is still one of my children. Agreeing in a lot of respects with flecc, we have created a complete mess in regard to the law ..both.Juristications ..and probably even more jurisdictions now , regarding rights, responsibilities, privileges for young persons. The most blatant are regarding ages of sexual activity.
 
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flecc

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Wow, controversial. I can’t see you winning this one.
Indeed, he was wrong since he didn't read the first two sentences of my post:

"There is a division at 14 years old. At that age there is a marked step up in the youngster's legal responsibility, harsher penalties etc."

Note the words "step up" and "harsher penalties", showing there was liability before then, i.e. that from 10 to 14 years.
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Indeed, he was wrong since he didn't read the first two sentences of my post:

"There is a division at 14 years old. At that age there is a marked step up in the youngster's legal responsibility, harsher penalties etc."

Note the words "step up" and "harsher penalties", showing there was liability before then, i.e. that from 10 to 14 years.
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Yeah I did. I actually put them in bold.

Can you show me these different

'general steps at 10, 14, 18 and 21 years.'

Is this a law you can show me or is it a nod and a wink you think is law but isn't?
 

oldgroaner

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Whatever label we decide to give any age group is irrelevant in discussion as it is obviously illegal to imprison groups or individuals of any age without due process,interperste meaning the article, as OG interpreted it, is utter bull.
However, people of age over 16 are simply not children by any definition,neither legally or morally.
Assuming 17 and 18 year olds are children is simply ridiculous. They are not, dont look like them, behave like them or respond like them.
Its very condescending at best. See the response you get if you call such a group children. It will be anything but child like.
Just one little fact you missed,
I didn't interpret the article at all, simply posted it and you as usual jumped to conclusions according to your agenda
 

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Indeed, he was wrong since he didn't read the first two sentences of my post:

"There is a division at 14 years old. At that age there is a marked step up in the youngster's legal responsibility, harsher penalties etc."

Note the words "step up" and "harsher penalties", showing there was liability before then, i.e. that from 10 to 14 years.
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I never had a moments doubt, and you have delivered handsomely.
 

Zlatan

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Just one little fact you missed,
I didn't interpret the article at all, simply posted it and you as usual jumped to conclusions according to your agenda
But why when its at best a gross exageration and at worst simply wrong. Nobody was locked anywhere. Its illegal OG, and the 17/18 year olds I, ve had anything to with would have kicked door down... And thats the girls... Like I said earlier the article simply supported your dialogue of BJ so you reposted fake news. You are guilty of spreading untruths.
 

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none of them inspires in the slightest.
for the first time, I am thinking I am not going to vote this time.
That would be a shame, as we are at the point where the choice is in fact simple
Either Corbyn, who honestly believes in his fantasy, and will actually try to do some good, and most likely fail
Or Boris, who is the front man for a Mafia or even several Mafia, who's intent in in ripping us all off. and fail catastrophically in the process.

The concluding factor for me is that Corbyn is offering a referendum.
That is what the country needs the chance to try to escape this Brexit disaster
 
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flecc

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Yeah I did. I actually put them in bold.

Can you show me these different

'general steps at 10, 14, 18 and 21 years.'

Is this a law you can show me or is it a nod and a wink you think is law but isn't?
You very arrogant in attempting to cover your obvious mistake, I don't know why I bother replying. I'm sure you can Google for rights and responsibilities, however:

The age of Criminal Responsibility in England and Wales is 10 years old.

Until 1998 there was a presumption in law that those from 10 to 14 years old might not understand the difference between right and wrong. Then that presumption was abolished for criminality by the Crime and Disorder Act of that year, but the 14 year old changes in civil rights, responsibilities and liabilities remained. Our 14 years pedelec lower limit for example, and because that is hidden away in an unusual place I'll provide where. It's the Road Traffic Act 1988.

Then at 16 years old in most, but not all circumstances, there is a right to consensual sex, the legal insistance for education ceases and marriage is possible with parental consent. One can also join the armed forces at that age but cannot be employed in combat at that age. There's a large range of other permissions at 16.

Next is 18 which is the age of majority, bringing full criminal liability and generally regarded as the age of adulthood. The range of other permissions is very extensive at 18 and includes being permitted to be a magistrate.

At age 21 one can adopt a child, hold an airline pilots licence, apply for an HGV provisional licence or supervise a learner if one has held the appropriate full licence for at least three years.

The above are all I remember offhand, but there's many other law specific divisions of ages, some of which I know.
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oldgroaner

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But why when its at best a gross exageration and at worst simply wrong. Nobody was locked anywhere. Its illegal OG, and the 17/18 year olds I, ve had anything to with would have kicked door down... And thats the girls... Like I said earlier the article simply supported your dialogue of BJ so you reposted fake news. You are guilty of spreading untruths.
I reposted a tweet, and you have simply used that to launch an attack with no proof whatosever to back up your argument.
Are you saying that the six form were not prevented from meeting Boris?
Proof please, the rest of your post is your usual nonsense.

By the way these words that started the post were mine
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Start the day with a laugh
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The rest were not, amazing what you have managed to conjure up from
"Start the day with a laugh"
You really need to start engaging the brain before posting
 

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You very arrogant in attempting to cover your obvious mistake, I don't know why I bother replying. I'm sure you can Google for rights and responsibilities, however:

The age of Criminal Responsibility in England and Wales is 10 years old.

Until 1998 there was a presumption in law that those from 10 to 14 years old might not understand the difference between right and wrong. Then that presumption was abolished for criminality by the Crime and Disorder Act of that year, but the 14 year old changes in civil rights, responsibilities and liabilities remained. Our 14 years pedelec lower limit for example, and because that is hidden away in an unusual place I'll provide where. It's the Road Traffic Act 1988.

Then at 16 years old in most, but not all circumstances, there is a right to consensual sex, the legal insistance for education ceases and marriage is possible with parental consent. One can also join the armed forces at that age but cannot be employed in combat at that age. There's a large range of other permissions at 16.

Next is 18 which is the age of majority, bringing full criminal liability and generally regarded as the age of adulthood. The range of other permissions is very extensive at 18 and includes being permitted to be a magistrate.

At age 21 one can adopt a child, hold an airline pilots licence, apply for an HGV provisional licence or supervise a learner if one has held the appropriate full licence for at least three years.

The above are all I remember offhand, but there's many other law specific divisions of ages, some of which I know.
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I am aware of civil rights. And at what age you can enjoy them.

You were referring to criminal law. Or legal responsibility as you put it.

You said 14 year olds were the start of criminal responsibility.

It's actually 10 years old.

No biggie. We all make mistakes.

There isn't a separate criminal law for 10 years upwards.
 

Fingers

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I reposted a tweet, and you have simply used that to launch an attack with no proof whatosever to back up your argument.
Are you saying that the six form were not prevented from meeting Boris?
Proof please, the rest of your post is your usual nonsense.

By the way these words that started the post were mine
"
Start the day with a laugh
"
The rest were not, amazing what you have managed to conjure up from
"Start the day with a laugh"
You really need to start engaging the brain before posting

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Zlatan

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I reposted a tweet, and you have simply used that to launch an attack with no proof whatosever to back up your argument.
Are you saying that the six form were not prevented from meeting Boris?
Proof please, the rest of your post is your usual nonsense.

By the way these words that started the post were mine
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The rest were not, amazing what you have managed to conjure up from
"Start the day with a laugh"
You really need to start engaging the brain before posting
You really are ignorant in every sense of word. Lets start the day with a pack of lies, its a great joke, we are all splitting our sides with your incisive wit. Idiot.
There are enough lies flying around without you adding to them. Try and use a touch of discrimination instead of simply cutting and pasting anything and everything..
Yes, the 6th formers probably weren't allowed to question him, so what. They were probably busy in lectures or smoking ganja or some such thing. They were NOT locked anywhere.
 
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oldgroaner

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You really are ignorant in every sense of word. Lets start the day with a pack of lies, its a great joke, we are all splitting our sides with your incisive wit. Idiot.
There are enough lies flying around without you adding to them. Try and use a touch of discrimination instead of simply cutting and posting everything and everything..
Back to insults again? Idiot indeed why do you feel that you have to attack me at all and every opportunity?
Time you grew up
A normal person would simply have posted either dislike or disagree but you had to make a fool of yourself as usual to try and score points.
Childish.
 

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