Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

What is your game?
You come out with this load of garbage simply to launch an attack on me?
I post what I find, you can judge for yourself whether the contents in truth, but unlike you I don't post deliberate fake news, or launch unproved personal attacks as you just did.
You really need to lose the chip on your shoulder.

Logs and splinters spring to mind.
You could repost stuff from Dandy. You really should just read and think about the stuff you cut and paste before spreading it further. Have a bit of common OG. That story was utter BS and anybody with half a brain new full well it was. So why re post it?

 

[oldgroaner]

CNN are on the point of giving the game away on the Russian interference in our electoral process with snippets as here
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/08/uk/uk-russia-inquiry-intelligence-security-committee-gbr-intl/index.html

 

[oyster]

He did actually pledge "No alcohol till Brexit delivered!"

Boris Johnson has said he has given up drinking alcohol until Brexit is delivered.

The Prime Minister's "do or dry" pledge follows his failure to keep his "do or die" promise of taking Britain out of the EU by October 31.

Mr Johnson was pictured just yesterday sipping whisky during a distillery visit in Scotland, casting doubt on this commitment to a drinking ban.

His remarks about giving up alcohol came while chatting about health matters with nurses at the King's Mill Hospital in Nottinghamshire on Friday.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-2019-boris-johnson-makes-do-or-dry-pledge-to-give-up-alcohol-until-brexit-is-sorted-a4282566.html

 

[oyster]

Children? Amazing how times change. 6th formers (term itself is an anomoly to old way of labelling years in school) would never have been referred to as children in my day. Makes arguing for voting age to be reduced to 16 rather confusing. Should "children" really be allowed vote?
Besides anyone who has been near a school in last 50 years knows full well locking "kids" in a room would be a sacking offence, but why let truth get in way of a story to knock Boris. The truth is bad enough. OG still posting fake news but only that suiting his dialogue.
Yes, Boris is a baffoon, the opposition are unfortunately no better and in many respects even worse.

They are still, mostly, under-eighteen year old people to whom a duty of care is required. In loco parentis applies.

First, it allows institutions such as colleges and schools to act in the best interests of the students as they see fit, although not allowing what would be considered violations of the students' civil liberties.

And if acceptable for 6th form, what about 5th? 4th? etc. Just where do we draw a division such that one lot can, the other lot cannot, be "locked" in a room? Hence my use of "children" to emphasise that the responsibility exists and the lack of any sensible age limit.

 

[oyster]

Don't follow that logic at all, he is simply a bystander with no more right to be on an election debate than you or I.
By all means have one of his candidates on, that would be fair and reasonable

I strongly disagree with them, but they will claim it is "party leaders" - not even noticing that it should be company owner in this case.

 

[oldgroaner]

Logs and splinters spring to mind.
You could repost stuff from Dandy. You really should just read and think about the stuff you cut and paste before spreading it further. Have a bit of common OG. That story was utter BS and anybody with half a brain new full well it was. So why re post it?

Do you have prove of your claim it was false?
This is the source

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1192768983579201537

Tell me do you really think he wouldn't stoop to this? he is only pictured with the first year art class playing with clay.

 

[oldgroaner]

I strongly disagree with them, but they will claim it is "party leaders" - not even noticing that it should be company owner in this case.

So why not Tice? he is standing for election after all.

 

[flecc]

And if acceptable for 6th form, what about 5th? 4th? etc. Just where do we draw a division such that one lot can, the other lot cannot, be "locked" in a room?

There is a division at 14 years old. At that age there is a marked step up in the youngster's legal responsibility, harsher penalties etc. This even intrudes into our area of interest with the 14 years old lower legal limit to ride a pedelec. Accordingly the authorities and particularly the police often use the terms "Youth" and "Young Persons" rather than "Child" and "Children" for those of 14 years and over.

Over many years the school leaving ages have crept up beyond that, for example I left school and started full time work at 14 years old, with that official leaving age going up twice to 15 and then 16. Now even the 16 year olds are actively discouraged from leaving at 16, including them being unable to receive any benefits such as for unemployment, so I can see the leaving age becoming 18 before long.

But the law necessarily doesn't keep pace with that trend, given how dangerously anti-social teenagers can be, so calling them children is somewhat inappropriate.
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[oyster]

There is a division at 14 years old. At that age there is a marked step up in the youngster's legal responsibility, harsher penalties etc. Accordingly the authorities and particularly the police often use the terms "Youth" and "Young Persons" rather than "Child" and "Children" for those of 14 years and over. This even intrudes into our area of interest with the 14 years old lower limit to ride a pedelec.

Over many years the school leaving ages have crept up, for example I left school and started full time work at 14 years old, with that official leaving age going up twice to 15 and then 16. Now even the 16 year olds are actively discouraged from leaving at 16, including them being unable to receive any benefits such as for unemployment, so I can see the leaving age becoming 18 before long.

But the law necessarily doesn't keep pace with that trend, given how dangerously anti-social teenagers can be.
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Agreed that those over 14 bear greater responsibility for themselves - but the responsibility of the school is broadly the same. And if 14 marks a step up, then surely it also represents an age at which their civil liberties come to even greater importance and they should be able to express their opinions and not be bundled out of the way?

 

[flecc]

Agreed that those over 14 bear greater responsibility for themselves - but the responsibility of the school is broadly the same. And if 14 marks a step up, then surely it also represents an age at which their civil liberties come to even greater importance and they should be able to express their opinions and not be bundled out of the way?

True, but it's a two way street, civil liberties and responsibilities. They must also be expected to have greater understanding of the need for special measures at times, including that those in charge are human and do get things wrong at times.

In other words, learning the tolerance that is essential for a civilised community to function well.
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[50Hertz]

The LibDems are campaigning on a “green “ agenda (amongst other nonsense), whist simultaneously offering incentives for people to do the most polluting and environmentally damaging act conceivable, having children.

What a bunch of mongs. Why don’t they go all the way and offer zero rate VELs on cars with an engine capacity over four litres? That makes as much environmental sense as their utterly stupid free child care policy.

I now literally have no one to vote for in the GE. I’m starting to think ******* to it and to vote Tory or BXP. I can just stand back and watch it all kick off and go up in flames. A bit like an arsonist watching the fire from within the gathered crowd.

 

[Woosh]

Why don’t they go all the way and offer zero rate VELs on cars with an engine capacity over four litres?

would you like BJ or JC for PM?
both make promises that are either misleading or they won't have the money to pay for them.

 

[flecc]

I now literally have no one to vote for in the GE. I’m starting to think ******* to it and to vote Tory or BXP.

Write "None of the above" on the ballot paper. Increasing numbers are doing that in recent elections and it's beginning to notice. Ultimately it could worry the politicians and force some change.
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[50Hertz]

would you like BJ or JC for PM?
both make promises that are either misleading or they won't have the money to pay for them.

There could me more fireworks with BoJo. I hate him as much as the others, but the entertainment value of the impending disaster could be better from a spectator's point of view. They are all going to crash the economy, split the country and let everyone down in one way or anther, therefore, I think it now comes down to voting for the one which will provide the most entertaining spectacle.

 

[Woosh]

none of them inspires in the slightest.
for the first time, I am thinking I am not going to vote this time.

 

[Zlatan]

They are still, mostly, under-eighteen year old people to whom a duty of care is required. In loco parentis applies.

First, it allows institutions such as colleges and schools to act in the best interests of the students as they see fit, although not allowing what would be considered violations of the students' civil liberties.

And if acceptable for 6th form, what about 5th? 4th? etc. Just where do we draw a division such that one lot can, the other lot cannot, be "locked" in a room? Hence my use of "children" to emphasise that the responsibility exists and the lack of any sensible age limit.

Whatever label we decide to give any age group is irrelevant in discussion as it is obviously illegal to imprison groups or individuals of any age without due process, meaning the article, as OG interpreted it, is utter bull.
However, people of age over 16 are simply not children by any definition,neither legally or morally.
Assuming 17 and 18 year olds are children is simply ridiculous. They are not, dont look like them, behave like them or respond like them.
Its very condescending at best. See the response you get if you call such a group children. It will be anything but child like.

 

[Fingers]

What is your game?
You come out with this load of garbage simply to launch an attack on me?
I post what I find, you can judge for yourself whether the contents in truth, but unlike you I don't post deliberate fake news, or launch unproved personal attacks as you just did.
You really need to lose the chip on your shoulder.

You post gibberish.

It's a condition.

 

[Fingers]

There is a division at 14 years old. At that age there is a marked step up in the youngster's legal responsibility, harsher penalties etc. This even intrudes into our area of interest with the 14 years old lower legal limit to ride a pedelec. Accordingly the authorities and particularly the police often use the terms "Youth" and "Young Persons" rather than "Child" and "Children" for those of 14 years and over.

Over many years the school leaving ages have crept up beyond that, for example I left school and started full time work at 14 years old, with that official leaving age going up twice to 15 and then 16. Now even the 16 year olds are actively discouraged from leaving at 16, including them being unable to receive any benefits such as for unemployment, so I can see the leaving age becoming 18 before long.

But the law necessarily doesn't keep pace with that trend, given how dangerously anti-social teenagers can be, so calling them children is somewhat inappropriate.
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It's actually 10 years old.......

Wrong again.....

 

[Zlatan]

Watch the usual reaction from
Zlatan.predicable as usual.

Watch the usual reaction from Zlatan, predictable as usual.

Spot the difference OG. I have corrected spelling and grammar in second one. Must try harder.

 

[flecc]

It's actually 10 years old.......

Wrong again.....

No Fingers, I am not wrong since you didn't understand the use of the word division. The age of 10 you quote is the first age of criminal responsibility, which has no relevance to the post I was replying to.

Thereafter there is a division at 14 years when there is a marked step up in liabilities and penalties, as I posted.

Having worked in this field for years, including with the police, I do understand all the general steps at 10, 14, 18 and 21 years.

There are also some law specific steps, such as those at 12 and 17 years in the Sex Offences Act 2003.
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