Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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That's all very presumptuous and nicely illustrates the inaccuracy of your thought process. Did you write it out in crayon first and then ask a grown up to type it for you?
Perhaps you could ask your adult to help him out? :D
Come on tillson, you can do sarcasm better than that, don't disappoint me!
 
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gray198

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Blithely ignoring the authority of parliament and the High Court - that says enough about your views on parliamentary democracy, sovereignty and mob rule.....sorry! - law and order.

You are right though about other nations laughing at Britain - we have become a laughing stock, particularly when you consider the individual our government selected to represent the nation abroad in the role of Foreign Secretary.

There is no blame in what I said, having an agreement to do your border control in Calais is fine in normal times, these are not normal times. Sending two UK immigration officers (TV news number) to look at the files of thousands of would be immigrants is, how can I put it nicely, ... And they are working to an English clock, tea at four the whole nine yards...

There is no problem with Schengen in normal times, it has been proven to be a bad idea in times of war and hunger. Who could have predicted that your prime minister wanted to go down in history and associate himself with that Bush madman in a folly that has driven these people from their homes?
I agree with what you say about schengen being OK normally and this situation is not normal, however I think it also shows how slow to react and intransigent the EU can be when decisive action is needed
 
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gray198

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We should because they are human beings whom we displaced while kidding ourselves we have a 'special relationship' with the USA, as a result of which we willingly bombed their countries indiscriminately.

That Britain has accepted fewer migrants than the other major European nations is shameful. Fascists and racists, of course, have no shame.

Tom
The UK is the second largest provider of aid only second to the USA. Maybe we should stop spending that because to people like you it will never be good enough
 
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gray198

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The solution is in Theresa May's hands,first of all she needs to forget the Royal Prerogative route and accept she needs to trigger Article 50 with the support of parliament. She could prepare a white paper tomorrow that advises the priorities of our negotiations then put it to parliament,if parliament agrees legislation could be rushed through and she is back on her timetable.
Forget the twaddle about 'not showing her negotiating cards',the problem is she hasn't done the work,unless the EU negotiators have been blind/deaf for the last 3 months they know what we want,they know our strengths and weaknesses.
May has the problem that parliament will sensibly want to stay in the single market,that means she may have to forget immigration control,you can't have it both ways,Boris knew that from day one.
It is Theresa May and the 3 Brexiteers who are doing all the dithering and squabbling,the legal challenge would not have been necessary if May had put the vote to parliament in the first place.
Actually business has settled on the low pound and put up prices accordingly,business is doing ok at the new price level. I put up 800 prices on November 1,I thought there would be some resistance but all my customers accepted it without any moans,except to say f.........Brexit.
We are all going to have to accept that is the price of Brexit,as Brexiters keep saying,we won,deal with it !!!!!!we have.
KudosDave
It would be interesting to know who was bankrolling this attempt to block the government fro carrying out their duty
 

oldgroaner

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The UK is the second largest provider of aid only second to the USA. Maybe we should stop spending that because to people like you it will never be good enough
Alas it is also one of the nations most prone to bombing other people under the false pretence to be helping them, not far behind the USA in that respect are we?
Can you explain how doing that is ever going to result in stopping the flow of people out of these countries?
 
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gray198

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It's wasted on the 'Brexidiots', 'derf'. The whole 'Brexit' premise is a classic case of the blind leading the blind.

Tom
There you go again referring to people as idiots who don't share your willingness to capitulate to the Eu. In ridiculously PC Britain in might even be construed as a hate crime. Yes I know that's ridiculous, or is it.After all in Nottingham wolf whistling a lady is now considered a hate crime. George Orwell just got his timing out a little???
 

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Alas it is also one of the nations most prone to bombing other people under the false pretence to be helping them, not far behind the USA in that respect are we?
Can you explain how doing that is ever going to result in stopping the flow of people out of these countries?
We're talking about that Labour leader and war criminal are we. I don't believe in bombing anywhere. I would agree that we only make it worse. We should only use such means to protect the UK and keep our noses out and let them get on with it.
 

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I know you wanted to hear:

1. they have come to rape your women and children
2. they are sleeper terrorists
3. they have already killed their mothers and sisters to travel faster to achieve points one and two

But you can already read those answers to your question in the tabloids, known for only writing THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH. I'm amazed your tabloids are not delivered engraved in stone...

PS my bike is my car
The people in the UK don't think that, but maybe it has crossed their minds in Germany and France
 
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oldgroaner

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It would be interesting to know who was bankrolling this attempt to block the government fro carrying out their duty
Hang on a minute, do explain how taking away the power of a Dictator to Parliament fits with your notion of blocking the Government doing it's duty?
Lets look at the situation
The Tory party has said Brexit is Brexit.
The Labour party has said Brexit must be respected.
What they want to do is protect the country from having to operate under conditions that undermine the economy as result in hardship from the people.
Tell me now
Is that not the sworn duty of the Government?, or is its sworn duty to simply bow to the vote of a Baying Mob because they happen to come first in an advisory referendum and want a result that will damage not only themselves but the rest of us too? out of a juvenile wish to cause self harm?

Lets put aside the issue of the referendum having no legal status for a moment and consider some facts
Remember this simple statistic
out of 46,500.001 Voters
17,410,742 Voted to leave, but did not specify the conditions of that happening where does it say it has to be Hard Brexit?
That leaves a balance of 29,089259 who either voted against it, or didn't vote for it, which is 62.5% of the voters.
In other words only a minority are in favour of Brexit and you cannot even say that they still are at this point in time, or what sort of Brexit they want.

What reason have you to believe that your statement is true?
You realise of course that your are implying that the Government you were so keen to "Give back control to" is one you don't trust?
And you want to Bend the Law to give all power to one person to make a fateful decision.
Not a smart move.
 
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oldgroaner

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The people in the UK don't think that, but maybe it has crossed their minds in Germany and France
I recommend you read the Readers comments in the Mail and Guardian before making that assertion, you will find you are misinformed.
There are far too many who do hold such beliefs and worse express them in public.
 
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oldgroaner

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There you go again referring to people as idiots who don't share your willingness to capitulate to the Eu. In ridiculously PC Britain in might even be construed as a hate crime. Yes I know that's ridiculous, or is it.After all in Nottingham wolf whistling a lady is now considered a hate crime. George Orwell just got his timing out a little???
Care to explain where "Capitulation" applies? over what, where and when?
 
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oldtom

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Time for the Right wing press to be taken to law
https://twitter.com/hwallop/status/794442749458214913/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Rise up and fight, fight, fight?
Subversive and illegal
If this were to do with a product, the ASA would step in straight away. As it is, I think there may be grounds for police to examine the matter as it could easily be construed that there is an incitement to violence in the form of words used.

Unfortunately, the brainwashed 'Brexidiots' will just love this kind of dialogue from an organ of state that they have respected all their lives....unquestioningly!

Tom
 
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oldgroaner

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Here is a reader comment on the Judges decision from some idiot with the Moniker Vpats

The Queen has the right to remove these judges for good and is only required to address both sides of Parliament to do so. The city law firm who pursued this case should de burnt to ground.

Now who was it said I shouldn't refer to Brexit voters in a derogatory way?
This one is not even bright enough to guard his or her tongue

Interestingly there were a surprising number of people appearing to support the judges decisions, many of them being leave supporters too, perhaps some of them are not quite so thick as the one that made the comment above.
And even a couple questioning the motives of the paper, perhaps the Mail made a mistake in that this was an "unmoderated" article.
 
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oldtom

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The UK is the second largest provider of aid only second to the USA. Maybe we should stop spending that because to people like you it will never be good enough
You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel 'gray' with such stupid remarks. Forgive me if I have this wrong but you seem to be suggesting that we are pretty wonderful as a country in that we dispense vast fortunes in foreign aid.

Do you have any idea where we send money? Have you ever read any material on how much of the money, goods, medicines, clothing, etc ever reaches the intended targets? I can assure you, it doesn't make good reading.

If, however, your conscience is salved by just throwing money at a problem, then surely, given the displaced person crisis around Europe, you should realise that we're doing something wrong - either sending aid to the wrong places or not sending enough. Clearly, the foreign aid policy isn't working! Whatever it is, the queues of people from various countries wishing to settle in the UK is indicative of something, is it not?

As you are an ardent 'Brexidiot' and supporter of a fascist government, are you so blinded by the lies you have been fed that you cannot see that there are people, human beings, just like us, with two arms and two legs, (mostly), with greater multilingual talents than most of our own people, who have been forced to flee their homes and their countries as a result of foreign policy decisions by your type of government? I include the 'tory-lite' variety of politics in that.

Perhaps it is quite simply the idea of allowing foreign people entry into your country that offends you so much - chucking millions at some places in Africa most couldn't even point to on a map is fine but to actually house displaced victims of destruction after we have brutally bombed their villages, towns and cities to bits is a step too far - is that about the size of it in your mind......or is there some other reason why we should treat those people like vermin? Now, if you are not a horrible racist, which would explain to some extent the stupid comments you make, what is wrong with taking responsibility for what we, the British people, have done in foreign lands?

We paid out huge sums of money, along with our allies, to repair Germany after WW2 so, given that these 21st century migrants didn't harm the UK in any way, unlike the Nazi regime, why should we not do what is necessary for these people?
The German nation has done far more than its fair share, as have the French and even smaller nations?

Tom
 
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derf, I don't think he is racist. His daughter is married to a pied noir. His point is migrants should do more to help themselves. The French are generous to a point. Those who abuse their generosity should be deported back to Libya.
perhaps, i'm all for ethical screening of refugees, but imho voting for marine le pen is a damning indictment, nothing can justify it.
 
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derf, I will include oldgroaner and old tom in this so I can't be accused of picking on you as an immigrant. The three of you do nothing but complain about the UK, insult many of the population by calling them xenophobic or racist, trash working people's reputations and to be generally disparaging about anything to do with UK culture. I can't think of any positive things that any of the three of you have said about the UK.

Why then, are the three of you still here? Would it not be better to leave it all behind?
no, we complain about brexit, insult the idiots that voted for it, calling them racist, xenophobic, trash. ironically it is exactly my respect for british culture, its liberal tradition, literature that makes me condemn brexit as an attack on all of that.
 

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The European Union
You aren't a bad lot, or should that be weren't such a bad lot, but I feel that since you had Thatcher as PM things have gone seriously downhill. I remember going back to London for a few days in the 1980's and being shocked by what it had become.

There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women, and there are families.

That is what killed the UK as a nation, you are all on your own now unless you have a family which makes several people together on their own.
 

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