Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Even deselection isn't enough apparently
In the Express
"Gloves off as Tories plot to topple Speaker John Bercow for 'blatant Brexit bias'
LOYALIST Tory MPs yesterday threatened a new attempt to topple Commons Speaker John Bercow after accusing him of “blatant Brexit bias”.

Backbenchers called on party chiefs to ditch the convention of allowing the Speaker to stand unopposed in his Commons constituency as punishment for controversial rulings in Parliament. The bid to oust Mr Bercow at the next general election comes ahead of crunch Brexit debates at Westminster where the official is set to play a key role. He has denounced Boris Johnson’s move to cut short the current parliamentary session as a “constitutional outrage” and held talks with leading pro-Brussels Tory rebel Sir Oliver Letwin.

What a bunch of lunatics and people still defend this set of bullies and blackmailers?
Loyalists?
Loyal to who exactly? these are enemies of Parliament
We can hope that the deselected and many other tories stand in every constituency, and we end up with remain-tory, leave-tory and brexit party squabbling everywhere.
 
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Even deselection isn't enough apparently
In the Express
"Gloves off as Tories plot to topple Speaker John Bercow for 'blatant Brexit bias'
LOYALIST Tory MPs yesterday threatened a new attempt to topple Commons Speaker John Bercow after accusing him of “blatant Brexit bias”.

Backbenchers called on party chiefs to ditch the convention of allowing the Speaker to stand unopposed in his Commons constituency as punishment for controversial rulings in Parliament. The bid to oust Mr Bercow at the next general election comes ahead of crunch Brexit debates at Westminster where the official is set to play a key role. He has denounced Boris Johnson’s move to cut short the current parliamentary session as a “constitutional outrage” and held talks with leading pro-Brussels Tory rebel Sir Oliver Letwin.

What a bunch of lunatics and people still defend this set of bullies and blackmailers?
Loyalists?
Loyal to who exactly? these are enemies of Parliament
Good...The speaker is supposed to be impartial.
 

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We can hope that the deselected and many other tories stand in every constituency, and we end up with remain-tory, leave-tory and brexit party squabbling everywhere.
Judging by Corbyn's performance in face to face debates at the HoC, tories + BXP can still easily beat him at the next GE and rule for 5 more years.
JC's old tactic of promising more public spending on tuition fees may not work again.
Kier Starmer was on TV last night. When he was asked hypothetically if Labour wins a no confidence vote and JC can't put together a national unity government, would Labour vote with the tories for a new GE? He could not answer. One could sense that Labour does not really want an early GE.
 

oldgroaner

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Good...The speaker is supposed to be impartial.
And who are these Tory rabid Brexiteers to decide what constitutes impartiality?
Here we have an example of a leaver, you, reaching a convenient conclusion to suit a personal agenda.
Anything goes to get your precious Brexit, regardless , accusing someone else on the say so of a group on your own side with an axe to grind.
Let's hope you get your precious No Deal
That will unite the country all right, but not in a way you'll approve of.
And this is the sort of creature you are now being controlled by

Rise of the "Uber Mensch" once again, History is repeating itself, do we have to play
"Bat the Rat" again?
 
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oldgroaner

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Judging by Corbyn's performance in face to face debates at the HoC, tories + BXP can still easily beat him at the next GE and rule for 5 more years.
JC's old tactic of promising more public spending on tuition fees may not work again.
Kier Starmer was on TV last night. When he was asked hypothetically if Labour wins a no confidence vote and JC can't put together a national unity government, would Labour vote with the tories for a new GE? He could not answer. One could sense that Labour does not really want an early GE.
Terrific news preventing Labour getting into power is absolutely the right thing to do, then responsibility for Brexit is all on the Conservatives and BXP where it belongs.
 
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50Hertz

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The slippery Gove is a man for all seasons



And on the Marr program started saying Yellowhammer was "Project Fear" then when challenged decided to say it was a worse case scenario
And concludes by saying some prices may go up and some go down
The frightening aspect of the above is that a large section of the idiot public still believe in him and place their trust in his masturbatory colleagues. You must hand it to Gove & Co, to get away with this is a stroke of genius against the fat necked, shaven headed Brexit dads.
 
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50Hertz

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I don't know how true this is. I am surpised though.

Jacob Rees-Mogg:

" you can't have another vote on Brexit because it would overturn the first one".



I heard that live on LBC. That isn’t the full context of his reply. This type of false reporting is at the heart of the Brexit problem.

Whilst I support the idea of a second referendum, I agree with Rees-Mogg. He was saying what if the result is overturned by a smaller margin? I don’t think that’s likely, but the problems associated with a second referendum need to be discussed.
 

oldgroaner

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I don't know how true this is. I am surpised though.

Jacob Rees-Mogg:

" you can't have another vote on Brexit because it would overturn the first one".



Thus begins hereditary power and the end of Democracy, but then he did say this
"The democratic Nation state basically operates like a criminal cartel forcing honest citizens with large portions of their wealth to pay for stuff like roads and hospitals and schools"

We are dealing with a raving lunatic in his case.
 

oldgroaner

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I heard that live on LBC. That isn’t the full context of his reply. This type of false reporting is at the heart of the Brexit problem.

Whilst I support the idea of a second referendum, I agree with Rees-Mogg. He was saying what if the result is overturned by a smaller margin? I don’t think that’s likely, but the problems associated with a second referendum need to be discussed.
Please explain why a small margin would be a problem when it was regarded as of the value of an act of god the last time?
And a clear mandate from the people?
Stuff and nonsense!
 

50Hertz

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I’m hearing that Labour’s latest vote loser is to force private landlords to sell their properties to the tenant at a knock-down price.

I think this is a one if the clearest indications of Labour’s hatred of ordinary working people. Being a private landlord isn’t something which is exclusively for wealthy people. Many ordinary working people invest in property for their pension and rely on the rent for their income in retirement. Buying a rental property represents a huge financial sacrifice for some, spread over many years. For many, just when they want to reap the rewards of their Sacrifices, Labour want to snatch it away and throw people’s financial plans into chaos.

The above would hurt me and to some extent I’ve anticipated it. That’s why I’ve started buying land and building small housing developments. Housing trusts hose money at such things.
 
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Campbells, DelMonte, Green Giant etc all American, and ASDA selling them American owned by Walmart.

Then we have the Germans with Aldi and Lidl, with Fingers saying Lidl are better while urging Buy British!

Truly buying British varies from very difficult to impossible, just another of the many reasons why Brexit is a big mistake.
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I’m hearing that Labour’s latest vote loser is to force private landlords to sell their properties to the tenant at a knock-down price.

I think this is a one if the clearest indications of Labour’s hatred of ordinary working people. Being a private landlord isn’t something which is exclusively for wealthy people. Many ordinary working people invest in property for their pension and rely on the rent for their income in retirement. Buying a rental property represents a huge financial sacrifice for some, spread over many years. For many, just when they want to reap the rewards of their Sacrifices, Labour want to snatch it away and throw people’s financial plans into chaos.

The above would hurt me and to some extent I’ve anticipated it. That’s why I’ve started buying land and building small housing developments. Housing trusts hose money at such things.
Fascinating that "ordinary working people" can afford to buy more than one home,don't you think?
Bit of a "class identity" problem there?
You are middle class my friend. Nothing wrong with that of course,but to refer to Labour hatred of working people is incorrect,a better fit would be "Labour hatred of the middle class" from your point of view.
Even then I would dispute that as too general
 

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Tony Blair suggests Labour to oppose early GE:


 
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And who are these Tory rabid Brexiteers to decide what constitutes impartiality?
Here we have an example of a leaver, you, reaching a convenient conclusion to suit a personal agenda.
Anything goes to get your precious Brexit, regardless , accusing someone else on the say so of a group on your own side with an axe to grind.
Let's hope you get your precious No Deal
That will unite the country all right, but not in a way you'll approve of.
And this is the sort of creature you are now being controlled by

Rise of the "Uber Mensch" once again, History is repeating itself, do we have to play
"Bat the Rat" again?
The Speaker is assisted by three deputies, all of whom are elected by the House. ... Deputies have the same powers as the Speaker when presiding. Akin to the Speaker, they do not take part in partisan politics, and remain completely impartial in the House.

 
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50Hertz

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Fascinating that "ordinary working people" can afford to buy more than one home,don't you think?
Bit of a "class identity" problem there?
You are middle class my friend. Nothing wrong with that of course,but to refer to Labour hatred of working people is incorrect,a better fit would be "Labour hatred of the middle class" from your point of view.
Even then I would dispute that as too general
OG, people such as nurses, those working in factories etc are buying second homes instead of a pension. They take out a buy to let mortgage, which cripples them, and hope that the rental income plus capital gain on the house will outstrip their expenses and leave them with something to retire on. Labour’s plan would destroy their futures. These are ordinary working folk who are sensibly thinking about and planning their retirement.

Conventional pension plans are a complete rip-off, so you can’t blame them for doing this. Labour hate anyone who takes financial responsibility for themselves. They view them as criminals to be punished and despised.
 

daveboy

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And who are these Tory rabid Brexiteers to decide what constitutes impartiality?
Here we have an example of a leaver, you, reaching a convenient conclusion to suit a personal agenda.
So do you honestly believe Bercow is not biased towards remaining ? Or are you reaching a convenient conclusion to suit your agenda.
 

daveboy

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Fascinating that "ordinary working people" can afford to buy more than one home,don't you think?
Bit of a "class identity" problem there?
You are middle class my friend. Nothing wrong with that of course,but to refer to Labour hatred of working people is incorrect,a better fit would be "Labour hatred of the middle class" from your point of view.
Even then I would dispute that as too general
I have a couple of buy to lets and spent all of my working life down a coal mine.
I'm looking forward to telling the lads in the Miners welfare that I'm now middle class. :D :D :D
 

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So do you honestly believe Bercow is not biased towards remaining ? Or are you reaching a convenient conclusion to suit your agenda.
He may want to stop no deal but not stopping brexit.
He has only one vote, which is used only in a dead heat tie.
 

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