Brexit, for once some facts.

Fingers

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The October date by the EU was not choosen on a whim. The new commission takes over the next day. So no the current commission cannot do that. They and normal people would see it as unethical by tieing the hands of their successors . I suspect that should there be a groundswell from the UK ..(extremely unlikely), they might hold informal meeting s with their successors,and on that basis make it known that a request would not be rebuffed.
No I think the 31st date is fixed, unless there is a quick No Confidence Vote.

The EU can't change anything unless we let/ask them.

We are gone on the 31st unless they come back and renegotiate their obviously renegotiable position.
 
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From what I have read and seen so far, it appears that Sonia Khan might well have a case under The Human Rights Act 1998. After all, if it is simply that she was seen with, talked to, generally associated with people, she has every right to do so.


Article 8: Respect for your private and family life

The concept of private life also covers your right to develop your personal identity and to forge friendships and other relationships. This includes a right to participate in essential economic, social, cultural and leisure activities. In some circumstances, public authorities may need to help you enjoy your right to a private life, including your ability to participate in society.


https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights-act/article-8-respect-your-private-and-family-life
 

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Anyone fancy starting a government petition?

Introduce a ban on anyone in contempt of Parliament from holding any publicly funded employment or role. A ban may be lifted if the contempt is expunged to the satisfaction of Parliament.
 

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Cant say as I disagree with thoughts in this article.
Problem is in any dispute, riot or war opposing sides think they have right (and often god) on their side.
Which group of people have ever entered into conflict thinking "well I, m protesting /arguing/fighting but actually I, m in the wrong. Nobody has. Well perhaps Ghenkis Khan, but even he believed he was righting wrongs.
In our" conflict" both sides, probably legitimately, feel wronged and have their own version of "democracy" or "right" on their side.
So WTF do we do? Cant answer that one...??!!!
 

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I must congratulate Cummings on running a bigger fear campaign than any previous one.
Fingers expects "Pretty much the same." after Brexit
But the official line is
Plans to Evacuate the Queen if there are riots after Brexit
British officials have revived Cold War emergency plans to relocate the royal family should there be riots in London if Britain suffers a disruptive departure from the European Union next month, two Sunday newspapers reported.

“These emergency evacuation plans have been in existence since the Cold War, but have now been repurposed in the event of civil disorder following a no-deal Brexit,” the Sunday Times said, quoting an unnamed source from the government’s Cabinet Office, which handles sensitive administrative issues.

The Mail on Sunday also said it had learnt of plans to move the royal family, including Queen Elizabeth, to safe locations away from London.

Such confidence.
Remind me again why is the Government intent on following a policy that could lead to riots?
 
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Cant say as I disagree with thoughts in this article.
Problem is in any dispute, riot or war opposing sides think they have right (and often god) on their side.
Which group of people have ever entered into conflict thinking "well I, m protesting /arguing/fighting but actually I, m in the wrong. Nobody has. Well perhaps Ghenkis Khan, but even he believed he was righting wrongs.
In our" conflict" both sides, probably legitimately, feel wronged and have their own version of "democracy" or "right" on their side.
So WTF do we do? Cant answer that one...??!!!
First this is a lie
"All the haughty expressions of democratic outrage we have heard over the past few days ignore a single, simple fact. The people of Britain voted to leave the European Union in the biggest expression of popular will ever seen in this country since the introduction of the universal franchise. And, more than three years later, our politicians persistently and pig-headedly refuse to respect and implement that democratic instruction..

And the difference between the sides was marginal at 4%
He omits to mention is the debate isn't about Remaining, but about leaving without a deal
The next lie is that promises were made to obtain the leave vote of retaining membership of both the customs union and the market without disruption, and the Government wants to junk them.

This is classic Goebbels stuff, blame the opposition for what you are doing, this man is treating the readers like idiots, unfortunately it works.

It's the leavers who are falling out among themselves
Parliament is still set on leaving is the unfortunate fact, they just want to do it with a deal.


Simple answer is cancel Brexit. It was a damn fool idea that only benefits the rich and the majority of the public no longer support it anyway.
 
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So WTF do we do? Cant answer that one...??!!!
I wonder if David Cameron would still want to call the referendum if he had known.

In my view, we are doing the right thing.
We pour money into brexit preparation. The more money spent, the more people get informed about the issue.
We let parliament fight our junior Donald Trump. The good thing about our unwritten constitution is that parliament will stop young tyrants.

If Bojo loses next week's vote, he has no other choice than calling a new general election before 31st October.

Let it run.
 

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I wonder if David Cameron would still want to call the referendum if he had known.

In my view, we are doing the right thing.
We pour money into brexit preparation. The more money spent, the more people get informed about the issue.
We let parliament fight our junior Donald Trump. The good thing about our unwritten constitution is that parliament will stop young tyrants.

If Bojo loses next week's vote, he has no other choice than calling a new general election before 31st October.

Let it run.
Fair point.

OG
Like I said both sides "think" they are in the right. I know alikening either sides to Nazis is wrong.
 
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oldgroaner

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Fair point.

OG
Like I said both sides "think" they are in the right. I know alikening either sides to Nazis is wrong.
Not so there are not really two sides, only the same side falling out, no one is really representing the majority view that Brexit is dead in the water and that is the problem.
Methods being employed by the leave campaign are straight out of the Nazi rulebook, it is pointless to deny the fact.
And this has been the case all along.
 
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From the /Telegraph
"Boris Johnson considering expulsion of Tory rebels as Michel Barnier refuses to ditch the backstop
The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator has declared that he will not scrap the Irish backstop, as Boris Johnson considers ousting Tory MPs who undermine his attempts to secure a new deal with Brussels.

Writing in The Sunday Telegraph, Michel Barnier insists that the controversial insurance plan for the Irish border represents the “maximum flexibility” that Brussels can offer, and says that any solution to the current impasse must be “compatible with the Withdrawal Agreement” previously agreed with Theresa May.
 
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both sides "think" they are in the right
Their viewpoints are different.
quantum mechanics shows that both sides can be right at the same time and seemingly the same place, but the macroscopic effect is always one of probability.
 
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