A Queen’s Speech is to be held in parliament on 14 October. Johnson is a devious un-democratic bastard.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Only some felt duped, just those who fell for the pro EEC propaganda.
That's why most did not overwhelmingly change their minds.
That's why the near 69% for in 1975 did not become 69% against in 2016. Instead Leave barely scraped a win, and that only due to an utterly dishonest Leave campaign led by the biggest liar in UK politics.
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Struggling aren't you, are you actually maintaining with all their resources the paper couldn't work out the meaning of the treaties
Comic!
I still think he will try to push a deal, the last thing he wants is to be held responsible when things go wrong, it wont matter that the erg reject it, he will put it to the public and ignore them.
Yes I agree. I think he does want a deal. But just removing the backstop is not going to be enough and he knows it - Farage is waiting in the wings if he tries that.
Either way though - it makes a change from May's incompetence - the guy sure meant it when he said we'd be out by the 31st Oct.
I like this comment on the BBC comments section (with nearly 1000 upticks by it):
Tory backbencher and Remain campaigner Dominic Grieve called it "an outrageous act". Whereas remain MPs trying every weaselling trick in the book they can think off to overturn the vote of UK people is in no way “an outrageous act” it seems.
I find it strange that you as a Leaver consider this to be a master stroke. The most spoken about and desirable aspects of Leaving the EU, according to the Leave side, was that Parliament is sovereign & that Parliament must be in control. So how can the trashing of those values & those ambitions not appear wrong to you?
I guess it’s just one more of the multitude of earlier promises that have been taken away from you. One by one they disappear and each time, you bend over, grease your backside and say “roger me some more.” How Johnson can brainwash you into accepting this is the masters stroke, not closing down Parliament.
the weasels are the ERG MPs who voted down their government deal (not just TM's deal, Bojo's deal if it comes to it) to profit those backers that import food and drinks from outside the EU.
No matter your stance on Brexit it must be accepted any folk arguing to prevent "no deal" are seriously undermining our negotiating position, irrelevant of wether its viewed as weak, strong, impossible or anything our removing or preventing "no deal" simply strengthens EU's stance.
The old adages in most walks of life are usually accurate and none more so than the most basic principle in any negotiation process is the fact that once you remove your ability to walk away, with no deal, you are no longer negotiating. You are pleading.
Imagine walking into a car dealership, telling them you are going to buy a certain car and irrespective of the deal given you will accept it,pay what they say and agree. Simply barmy.
All you remainers supporting removing no deal have forced BJ to take actions he has done. No, I dont agree with BJ suspending parliament but I definitely see his reasons and personally see it as justified taking into account the stupidity of the fools arguing to prevent no deal.
The old adages in most walks of life are usually accurate and none more so than the most basic principle in any negotiation process is the fact that once you remove your ability to walk away, with no deal, you are no longer negotiating. You are pleading.
Imagine walking into a car dealership, telling them you are going to buy a certain car and irrespective of the deal given you will accept it,pay what they say and agree. Simply barmy.
All you remainers supporting removing no deal have forced BJ to take actions he has done. No, I dont agree with BJ suspending parliament but I definitely see his reasons and personally see it as justified taking into account the stupidity of the fools arguing to prevent no deal.
Its a reaction to imbeciles undermining our stance.
I see as OJ is fond of saying the penny has dropped. Again
No doubt it will do so frequently from now on till the pound is worth 50P
No doubt it will do so frequently from now on till the pound is worth 50P
More:
"So, if I understand things correctly ( doubtful - who does ?) it is fully in order that those who oppose Brexit may use every parliamentary trick in the book - including connivance by the Speaker - to thwart implementing the democratic will of the electorate, but similar action by the government to do so is immediately labeled “undemocratic” “dictatorial” or even “unconstitutional” even when it can only be done via the constitution."
"So, if I understand things correctly ( doubtful - who does ?) it is fully in order that those who oppose Brexit may use every parliamentary trick in the book - including connivance by the Speaker - to thwart implementing the democratic will of the electorate, but similar action by the government to do so is immediately labeled “undemocratic” “dictatorial” or even “unconstitutional” even when it can only be done via the constitution."
Why not threaten them with trident using your logic?
You are trying to make out the EU are bigger fools than we are
He said he'd get us out by 31.10.19.
And he said he'd do whatever it takes.
The man is being true to his word.
It may take a while for people to get used to having a leader who is actually willing to lead - and when they say they will do something - they do it.
With Bojo, it's all bluff and bluster. New legislative agenda? Pull another one.
he only lead a fraction of conservative MPs, much less than 200 and most of whom work for him.
The rest are opposed to him, ERG, conservative remainers, remainists and the opposition.
He can't get a deal through parliament any more than TM and he has no mandate of his own.
He is frightened by parliament, a second referendum and a general election.
The one reason that he is PM is because a lot of tory MPs think he'll beat Farage.
So did the Supreme Court also 'undermine' our stance?
On 3 November, three judges ruled Parliament must vote on when the process can begin. The case went to the Supreme Court in December but the 11 judges rejected the government's appeal by a majority of eight to three.
Speaking after the High Court verdict, Ms Miller told the BBC the case was about scrutinising the details of Brexit, such as "how we leave, how they're going to negotiate, the directions of travel the government will take".
Ms Miller added that the challenge was about more than Brexit.
"It is about any government, any prime minister, in the future being able to take away people's rights without consulting Parliament," she said.
"We cannot have a democracy like that. That isn't a democracy, that is verging on dictatorship."
Who is woman behind Brexit case?
Gina Miller has become the figurehead in the case to get Parliament to vote on the Brexit process - but who is she?
www.bbc.co.uk
I thought the same at the beginning. But now, I don’t think we have a stance. If we crash out, UK people will still buy goods from the EU, that’s what they are like. I don’t think their markets will be affected too much.
So that just leaves, what do we have that the EU can’t get from elsewhere? What is the UK’s USP which makes us indispensable?
The EU will hurt in a no deal situation, but not as much as they will hurt if they allow us to go, but still retaining all the good bits of membership. They will accept a no deal Brexit. There are going to be a lot of people up ** creek.
But the worst thing is, Johnson has no mandate whatsoever to take us out on no deal.