Not the EU or certainly my concern. Non EU inspectors located in NI food processors , can help fast track foodstuff from NI to the rest of the UK. . My concern is only that food stuff originating in NI or RoI is to EU quality standards,..which at present it is,and we in the South can safely eat it and send it on to our EU colleagues. If NI producers succumb to the quick buck mentality and start using dubious raw material or feedstock then we call halt...and we are their biggest customer...at least in the processing not end customer phase.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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So would you trust non-EU inspectors doing the job in NI and exporting to and through RoI?
Nowhere does it state the intention is to become a state of the EU.
It is a very soft way of saying closer ties for better security. It does not suggest that law will ultimately be made in made Brussels and that we will not have the right to choose who we trade with.
This is why people felt duped and overwhelmingly changed their minds when finally asked again.
could it be that those who voted for brexit thought that the USA is the real guarantor for peace and security rather than the EU?
I can't speak for them all but my understanding is the NATO Alliance is for the security from the world ~(Russia, Iran, China, Vietnam ) being a member of the EU was more to stop Europe squabbling amongst themselves.
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Not What I said. Provided the NI continue to remain in the same compliant regime as present, we would trust them to produce food which is acceptable to the RoI ,and we in the RoI would then be responsible for its onward transmission to the EU. Since NI is a generator of food rather than an importer, we would continue to trust them. It would be in their interest to deal straight,as they need RoI facilities to part process. Abattoirs located in NI would need to allow Irish and therefore EU inspectors in order to retain their EU exporting privileges. In this they would be little different than abattoirs located in the RoI which have quality audits done in order to retain their EU certificates.
back in the late 60s and even early 70s, we lived in fear of WW3 and the USSR.
Security was then a far bigger issue than now. I still remember bits of that time.
How time has changed. People are now more worried about Chloe's story in Holby City or how many women Prince Andrew had slept with.
DOMINIC SANDBROOK: What IS it Corbyn can't understand about democracy?
DOMINIC SANDBROOK: There are victims on all sides, but by far the saddest cases are those unreconstructed Remainers so inflamed by disappointment they have lost touch with reality.
It has been common knowledge of the move towards more integration and Thatcher applauded that.
We have been making laws in Brussels for years, have you forgotten ?
And as a member we are a state of the EU
The fact is our government had an agreement rejecting ever closer union for the EU
so what is your problem? Do you think we are too weak to not be drawn in against our will?
The answer isn't that is it, what you fear is that the idea becomes popular among our public and they end up voting for it.
Fear is what is motivating your position, nothing more, nothing less.
The simple fact is that in the end we will be a part of the process, we simply have no viable alternative that won't work to undermine our future.
Too small to be viable.
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From your point of view, I can see that. I cannot see the UK government accepting inspection by EU inspectors. We (at least NI) would yet again remain under the control of the EU and surely they would be operating with the ultimate authority of the ECJ?
Interestingly the readers comment are far from favourable....Rather a concise description of our situation at moment, surprisingly in DM..DOMINIC SANDBROOK: What IS it Corbyn can't understand about democracy?
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Here is a fine example of leaver logic applied to proroguing parliament to ensure a no deal brexit
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Mike Hall
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It's not a good thing but it seems the only way now. This should be banned after Brexit lest it be abused.
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Here is a fine example of leaver logic applied to proroguing parliament to ensure a no deal brexit
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Mike Hall
@MikeAaronhall
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Aug 26
Replying to
@LeaveMnsLeave
It's not a good thing but it seems the only way now. This should be banned after Brexit lest it be abused.
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Just remind me, where in the referendum campaign did anyone mention leaving Euratom?
(Seems to have been forgotten in amongst all the rest.)
(Seems to have been forgotten in amongst all the rest.)
Dominic Sandbook:
"The plot, some of you might remember, involves a villain who proposes to introduce a hallucinogenic drug into Gotham City’s water supply.
The drug in question is a ‘fear gas’, which causes you to see what you most dread.
Once released, it will induce mass hysteria in Gotham’s population, plunging the city into anarchic violence. Thank goodness, then, that Batman is on hand to save the day!
Alas, not even the most dashing superhero can save Britain. For our own version of the hallucinogenic drug has been active for the past three years, driving some people completely mad. Its name, of course, is Brexit.
There are victims on all sides, but by far the saddest cases are those unreconstructed Remainers so inflamed by hysterical disappointment that they have completely lost touch with reality.
The issues were clearly and fully aired, both sides had considerable airtime, and in the end the British people had their say.
That should have been that. For my part, I voted Remain and am a democrat.
But more than three years after the vote, many supposedly intelligent people are still incapable of accepting it.
So here we are, weeks from leaving the EU, and still a rag-tag gang of disaffected MPs are scouring the parliamentary rulebooks, determined to find a way of extending the deadline — yet again."
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I think that MPs follow the polls to a large extend, and polls say that those who can now vote but did not vote in 2016 would more likely to vote for remain.
The 'will of the people' seems to have shifted as brexit begins to crystalise, narrowing the options to just 3: WTO, TM's deal or remain. Soon, it will be narrowed again down to just 2, WTO or remain.
Only 26% of voters support WTO. Not a single constituency has WTO brexiters as majority.
What would you do if your job as an MP to make the call for all the people?
Can you see it has nothing to do with the UK Government?. A Dairy or Abattoir located in NI that wants to have the privilege of selling produce into the EU, signs up and accepts QA inspection by Irish inspectors. Its a private contract. Just as at present we have Halal inspectors visiting ,from God knows where,ensuring that mutton destined for Middle East markets slaughtered in Co. Mayo is processed in the "right way". The Irish State would have brokered and facilitated this arrangement,but have no responsibility for its execution. If the abattoir cheated, then standard fraud charges would be brought at the local court. If the EU changes its regulations, then a new contract is signed, if that company wants to retain its Privileges.
On the other hand, A biscuit factory in Craigavon ,NI who want to get their produce quickly onto the shelves in Manchester, have their produce sealed into containers by UK Customs ,people, at the factory to ensure that those pesky Irish are not sneaking in Dutch biscuits. Then when the container gets to the Belfast ferry port,it is fast tracked onto the Liverpool ferry. The biscuits from Dublin, when they arrive at the Ferry will be viewed as standard third world imports and whatever duty to be paid must be done.
What must be realised is that NI is a special case. All citizens there are ENTITLED under GFA to be recognised as Irish and therefore EU citizens, even if the territory is not in the EU. , So the EU can cut some slack, without it creating a precedent. It is already a special phyto sanitary zone linked to the RoI.
Make the worst possible decision as usual?
Seriously the question gets down to a choice of three
Short term problems is Brexit is cancelled
Long term ones if it isn't
Organising another referendum so the publc can take the blame away from Mp's, no matter what the decisions is.
If I was Boris (good grief imagine that) I would come up with Mays Deal by another name and put it to a referendum, relying on the stupidity of the voters to put me into power after this referendum in a General Election.
Avoid personal responsibility, easily the best answer for a coward like him
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So? They've done a U-turn like a lot of other people. Once we realised this was not simply a common-market as originally sold (no matter how many times Flecc sends in what Heath said back then) - to a EU-wide Superstate. Which we never wanted.
The Good Old Days ...
U-turn
Bojo can't have TM's deal, he will face the same rejection by the ERG, they don't want a transition period.Make the worst possible decision as usual?
Seriously the question gets down to a choice of three
Short term problems is Brexit is cancelled
Long term ones if it isn't
Organising another referendum so the publc can take the blame away from Mp's, no matter what the decisions is.
If I was Boris (good grief imagine that) I would come up with Mays Deal by another name and put it to a referendum, relying on the stupidity of the voters to put me into power after this referendum in a General Election.
Avoid personal responsibility, easily the best answer for a coward like him
It's no deal or no brexit, unless JC becomes PM.