Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Because it's all negative coverage. Which is fair. This is the darkest time. The most uncertainty. The EU was never going to roll over. Well not till the last minute as always.

We will be fine. Nothing much will change.
I think we will very much NOT be fine if BJ persists in his current tack. Of course, it could be all lies, b luff and bluster... If we had hoped the EU would allow us to settle over a reasonably long period, looks like BJ has probably blown that possibility out of the water.

Brexit: EU 'would block trade deal if Britain reneged on bill'
UK must honour its debts before starting to negotiate trade deal, say Brussels sources
 
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OxygenJames

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polls suggest more and more voters believe that brexit is a mistake.
Polls days before the actual vote had remain to win by 8 points.

What people tell pollsters and how they actually behave - are two different things. Especially when one of the choices is frowned upon by the chattering classes (eg Trump/Brexit).
 

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Because it's all negative coverage. Which is fair. This is the darkest time. The most uncertainty. The EU was never going to roll over. Well not till the last minute as always.

We will be fine. Nothing much will change.
by the EU was never going to roll over, you mean the backstop? I think they would accommodate Bojo if they are convinced that they could deal with Bojo but the reality is Bojo is supported by the hard right which is never going to want a deal with the EU before the USA.
Parliament won't support no deal either.
The only way Bojo can do brexit is by stopping MPs on both sides firing at him, closing down parliament until the deed is done.
 
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OxygenJames

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Because it's all negative coverage. Which is fair. This is the darkest time. The most uncertainty. The EU was never going to roll over. Well not till the last minute as always.

We will be fine. Nothing much will change.
They are going to absolutely hate it when the country does not implode. They want disaster - to prove themselves right. Being right has become more important to them now.
 
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Melton Mowbray pork pie makers dispute Boris Johnson's claim

Offering an example of an American trade restriction, Mr Johnson said: "Melton Mowbray pork pies, which are sold in Thailand and in Iceland, are currently unable to enter the US market because of, I don't know, some sort of food and drug administration restriction."

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr O'Callaghan - who chairs the Melton Mowbray Pork Pie Association, which represents pie producers - was asked if Mr Johnson was right in what he had said.

He replied: "Not really. With all of these things there is a little bit of give and take. We don't actually export to Thailand or Iceland."

When pressed again Mr O'Callaghan said: "Not that I know of I'm afraid.
"It is certainly available in Iceland the shop."
 
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by the EU was never going to roll over, you mean the backstop? I think they would accommodate Bojo if they are convinced that they could deal with Bojo but the reality is Bojo is supported by the hard right which is never going to want a deal with the EU before the USA.
Parliament won't support no deal either.
The only way Bojo can do brexit is by stopping MPs on both sides firing at him, closing down parliament until the deed is done.
The EU was never going to roll over. The EU is not bothered about the arithmetic in the HoC. The die is cast, and any change,must come from the UK side. If the UK had listened to Mrs Merkel and addressed Backstop mitigation in the context of future relations,we would not be where we are today.
 
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Except that Johnson is not only the captain but also the selection panel.

I can’t believe he hasn’t a plan.

I mean I wouldn’t vote for him. But I can’t believe he hasn’t got a strategy. You don’t get to be pm without....oh hang on. I’m forgetting May and Cameron.

Who knows.

So long as Gerald is happy I’m happy.

He’s said he’s happy at this turn of events so that’s good enough for me.
We haven't got a plan so nothing can go wrong..
Spike Milligan
 

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Now guffows aside, there is a serious health issue here. US food import restrictions on meat products is important to them,as it is to us. Pork is one of the most at risk products, due to the intensive nature of the industry. If memory serves the last major foot and mouth epidemic in these islands was caused by a discarded ham sandwich, transferred illegally. We in Europe have different parasites than in the USA ,and immunities we gave are not shared ..and vice versa.
A favoured Christmas present sent by loving Mammies in Ireland to their children in the USA, would have been hampers of food, including Irish Rashers. Companies were set up to supply them.. There was a mini scandal here a few years ago when it was found that the rashers ..bacon ,was actually USA sourced and manufacture d under licence, and marinated in the same concoction as Irish ones, and packaged with the Irish label. For the initiated, Irish narrowback rashers are a prime cut and dissimilar to what passes for bacon elsewhere. Once explained, the Irish Mammy was satisfied.
 
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oldgroaner

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it went straight to the recycling bin.
I didn't even open it.
Most people did that, the problem is that any and all communications tend to get the same treatment when they cast doubt on preconceptions and then its a case
"Don't bother me with facts, I've made my mind up, and like the referendum .
It only works once"
 
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Yes I can, I can do what I like, I just did. You were trying to make out leave voters didn't have the information available when every household got a remain leaflet and a biased media campaign, yet they chose to vote leave anyway.
They chose a “Leave” which promised an easy trade deal upon which we would dictate the terms. That fact is documented. By fingers own admission, that “leave” has now become a, close your eyes and wish really hard for a good outcome, type of leave. No plan, no dictating terms, no hope and consequently, no mandate for leaving.
 

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They are going to absolutely hate it when the country does not implode. They want disaster - to prove themselves right. Being right has become more important to them now.
You really don't see, do you? the country isn't going to implode, if you actually read any of my earlier posts I did say that the economy would not do so, but there would be problems.
In normal times these might pass unnoticed, but not now
Promises were made, more than half the voters believed them, the rest did not
Now even the slightest difficulty will fire off extreme responses, and far too much angst exists, not so much among the remain supporters, but woe betide any government that upsets it's own side the leavers at this point
Brexit has simply got to be a dazzling success or it will be a disaster that failed by simply turning out as a damp squib
The leave side is making the mistake they claim the remain side did in treating the leave voters as stupid, thinking it can get away with walking all over them.
And it will only take some hothead to start the ball rolling.
 
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50Hertz

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Keep a sense of proportion. That's out of over a million people attending and 12,000 police officers present.

The police having been having a very quiet time there with many enjoying themselves. I know that from my police officer neighbour and pal.
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The same thing doesn’t happen at say Glastonbury, or at Rugby matches. No where near the amount of arrests or officers injured per attendee.
 
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50Hertz

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These people?

You mean black people?

You are quite the racist aren't you. That's why you voted out. Then when economically you thought it might affect you adversely you flip flopped.

Tough call. Lett foreigners or less money.

You chose money.

You could always emigrate to NZ.
I never said anything about black people. The arrests/ injuries could just have easily been caused by white people attending. You are the only person to pin this disorder on black people. This is a very clear indication of the type of scum from which you are seeded and will likely seed into the future.

You are disgusting and should be ashamed of yourself.
 
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Polls days before the actual vote had remain to win by 8 points.

What people tell pollsters and how they actually behave - are two different things. Especially when one of the choices is frowned upon by the chattering classes (eg Trump/Brexit).
which poll?
Remain did lead all the way to the referendum but the gap did close steadily since leavers did better in TV debates and the government leaflet backfired.
John Curtice was on TV everyday in the week before the referendum saying that poll was too close to call.
 
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OxygenJames

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You really don't see, do you? the country isn't going to implode, if you actually read any of my earlier posts I did say that the economy would not do so, but there would be problems.
In normal times these might pass unnoticed, but not now
Promises were made, more than half the voters believed them, the rest did not
Now even the slightest difficulty will fire off extreme responses, and far too much angst exists, not so much among the remain supporters, but woe betide any government that upsets it's own side the leavers at this point
Brexit has simply got to be a dazzling success or it will be a disaster that failed by simply turning out as a damp squib
The leave side is making the mistake they claim the remain side did in treating the leave voters as stupid, thinking it can get away with walking all over them.
And it will only take some hothead to start the ball rolling.
Remember when we came out of the ERM? Stroke of luck. But the benefits did not show right away. It took time. Brexit will take time to show the benefits. That's my thinking. To start with yes there will be problems. So be it.
 

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The EU is not bothered about the arithmetic in the HoC.
you are wrong there.
If the conservatives had had a 50+ majority, we would have left by now.
 
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