Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

the UK risks being absorbed into either the USA or the US of E.

We'll be absorbed anyway, either that or end up impoverished and heading for third world standards.

Just look at the ex Soviet bloc European countries. Those that headed in towards the EU are doing well, those that ended isolated like Abkhazia are so impoverished their citizens wish the USSR would come back. One said ruefully that going independent was a terrible mistake.

We're in a world where size matters more than ever before.
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[Woosh]

We're in a world where size matters more than ever before.

we can be somewhere between Canada, Switzerland and Japan.

 

[flecc]

we can be somewhere between Canada, Switzerland and Japan.

Azerbaijan !

Seriously we are nowhere near a comparison with any one of those three extremely different countries, and I see no prospect of being so within a useful timescale.
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[oldgroaner]

the UK risks being absorbed into either the USA or the US of E.

And I know which I prefer!

 

[Woosh]

And I know which I prefer!

If I had to choose between the USof E and the USA, I would prefer the US of E too.
However, we are nowhere near this kind of close union yet.

 

[flecc]

If I had to choose between the USof E and the USA, I would prefer the US of E too.
However, we are nowhere near this kind of close union yet.

We'll get there one day, but it won't be in my lifetime or perhaps any of ours.
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[Woosh]

Is September the final battle for brexit?

JC, having written the letter, de facto has given up his brexit plan.
The battle line is now properly defined: Tory brexiter MPs versus the rest of parliament.

Paul Mason has written an excellent analysis in the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/15/jeremy-corbyn-labour-brexit-second-referendum

QUOTE:

In early September the real action will not be around the confidence vote, but around an attempt by an expanded group of Tory rebels to use standing order 14 to take control of parliament’s agenda and introduce legislation forbidding no deal.

If Johnson were to defy parliament over that – for example by sabotaging the royal assent process – Tory rebel participation in a vote of no confidence would be both justified and decisive.

 

[oldgroaner]

If I had to choose between the USof E and the USA, I would prefer the US of E too.
However, we are nowhere near this kind of close union yet.

I quite agree, while it is inevitable I don't expect to live long enough to see it.

 

[OxygenJames]

 

[Nev]

I quite agree, while it is inevitable I don't expect to live long enough to see it.

I quite agree, while it is inevitable I don't expect to live long enough to see it.

I am not so sure, there is a rumour that Tim Matin owner of Wetherspoons is working on a secret plan on behalf of BJ and the merry gang of leavers. Beneath all the Wethersoon pubs in the Country he is going to install cutting/boaring machines. The idea is to cut us adrift, then all the leavers will assemble on the east coast of the country and blow really hard.

The force created by 17.4 million people blowing all at once will propel us across the Atlantic in pretty short order. Details of the final destination have not yet been worked out (no change there), but Florida seems to be emerging as the likely location.

Once there it should be a fairly straight forward process for us to be absorbed into the good old US of A. Hard core Brexiters are besides themselves with excitement at the prospect of having Trump as their president and little Trump otherwise known as Boris Johnson as his deputy.

 

[oyster]

I am not so sure, there is a rumour that Tim Matin owner of Wetherspoons is working on a secret plan on behalf of BJ and the merry gang of leavers. Beneath all the Wethersoon pubs in the Country he is going to install cutting/boaring machines. The idea is to cut us adrift, then all the leavers will assemble on the east coast of the country and blow really hard.

The force created by 17.4 million people blowing all at once will propel us across the Atlantic in pretty short order. Details of the final destination have not yet been worked out (no change there), but Florida seems to be emerging as the likely location.

Once there it should be a fairly straight forward process for us to be absorbed into the good old US of A. Hard core Brexiters are besides themselves with excitement at the prospect of having Trump as their president and little Trump otherwise known as Boris Johnson as his deputy.

But if DT has already built a beautiful, beautiful wall (that we are going to pay for), the UK won't actually be able to discharge its subjects into Florida. We'd end up more like Puerto Rico - offshore, not quite a state, and utterly ignorable.

 

[Danidl]

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Well since. The UK already had its own money called sterling which is undergoing some upheaval.. that is irrelevant.
Since it had control of its borders , but for some reason was planning to remove the one in Ireland .that seems peculiar.
Every single one of the laws it had adopted since 1974 ,it had full veto rights ,.... That does change now with qualified Majority Voting , so up to now,the UK Government by definition were satisfied by EU sponsored legislation.
So yes the question can legitimately be asked What were you voting for?.

 

[Woosh]

So yes the question can legitimately be asked What were you voting for?

we want the benefit but we also want the EU go whistle for their money.

 

[Wicky]

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Looks like you voted fell for :

Boris Johnson, "Brexit means Brexit and we’re going to make a titanic success of it." 11 July 2017

Michael Gove, "The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want." 6 April 2016

David Davis, "There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside." 10 October 2016 (shortly before he lost his job)

Nigel Farage, "If Brexit is a disaster, I will go and live abroad, I will go and live somewhere else." 27 March 2017 (shortly before moving to a £4million house in Chelsea with a French woman)

 

[Woosh]

It sounds great but amounts to little.
Assuming that Bojo manages to deliver brexit:

money: it's less than 1% of the GDP, we blow more than that on preparation costs and continue to participate/pay into the EU for the foreseeable future.
laws: we are going to continue using EU laws for the foreseeable future.
borders: we are not going to add any new border posts for the foreseeable future.

It's more likely that now remainers are showing their strategy, Bojo is going to ask for an extension of A50 himself. The Pound recovers a little on JC's letter.

 

[oyster]

Boris Johnson, "Brexit means Brexit and we’re going to make a titanic success of it." 11 July 2017

Is it only me seeing an irony in the NI connection? Seems NI could have become the iceberg.

As for the meaning of titanic, how about this:

Another myth concerning the Titans revolves around Dionysus. At some point in his reign, Zeus decides to give up the throne in favor of his infant son Dionysus, who, like the infant Zeus, is guarded by the Kouretes. The Titans decide to slay the child and claim the throne for themselves; they paint their faces white with gypsum, distract Dionysus with toys, then dismember him and boil and roast his limbs. Zeus, enraged, slays the Titans with his thunderbolt; Athena preserves the heart in a gypsum doll, out of which a new Dionysus is made.

Did BJ really mean that brexit requires a despicable attempt to overthrow the existing order and cast himself as a titan?

Any thunderbolts going spare?

 

[oldgroaner]

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We already had all those things, that's why we voted for remain, really I wonder how dense can anyone be to imagine we hadn't?

 

[50Hertz]

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Which laws do you want us to have control of that we don’t control now?

What aspects of our money don’t we control and how will it be better?

Which bits of our border don’t we control at the moment?

 

[oldgroaner]

I wonder if he will be humiliated?
"
‘Having a laugh!’ Corbyn humiliated as Express.co.uk readers savage chances of being PM
JEREMY CORBYN has suffered massive humiliation after Express.co.uk readers savaged any chance of him quickly ousting Boris Johnson and becoming the next Prime Minister.

I doubt that he will react with anything but a yawn.
When it comes to the attitudes of readers of the Express, who in their right mind cares?

 

[Woosh]

"If Farage decides to stand candidates only against Labour, giving Johnson a free ride everywhere else, we will be lucky if the Tory majority is less than 50."

Paul Mason's analysis on possible outcome of a snap GE.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/08/my-plan-prevent-no-deal-brexit