Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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The Guardian had a piece referring to the views of Wales. Definitely stirring PC and others who might consider independence of England. Made me imagine an England surrounding by Wales and Scotland as independent countries, each members of the EU in their own right. As well as NI being either independent or (possibly) part of RoI (or whatever else is feasible).
I really cannot envisage Wales being independent of England..except on the Rugby field
 
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I really cannot envisage Wales being independent of England..except on the Rugby field
It isn't really independent of England anyway, since there's a view that it remains a principality of England.

When kings made law, Henry the Eighth ruled that Wales was a part of England and it wasn't legally declared a separate country until 1967. At that time the post of Prince of Wales should have been abolished since Wales was no longer a principality of England. Prince Charles was appointed Prince of Wales in 1958, but his investiture was 11 years later in 1969, so that was invalid if Wales was legally a separate country then.
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oldgroaner

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You just repeat the same lies.

You are not convincing anyone. I doubt even yourself.

You are the textbook definition of madness.
No lies there fingers, simply the truth , read it again
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I refer to the referendum which could not be annulled, even though the result had been illegally manipulated, as it was merely an opinion poll, being advisory only and therefore having no legal standing.
So in other words I object to losing my citizenship of the EU because the government employs stolen goods. .


Which part of that post can you prove to be a lie? I included the fact that the referendum was advisory only, and the legal ruling given over the request for the referendum result to be annulled
It is you that is the liar, Fingers, and you do it all the time, don't you?
Yet never come up with any reason for your support of Brexit

Are you being paid to be a nuisance , or providing a free service in that respect?

Sorry fingers your world is one of delusion, no wonder when you turn out propaganda, you are the textbook definition of lackey of the rich
 
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The genus of this conspiracy came down to one man. I was reading about it recently. I'm heading into work now. Will try and dig it out for you. It will allay any fears you have .

Although it may have been something I watched on TV. Either way I will have a kook.
What is a kook?
 
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oldgroaner

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Here is the article.


It just takes one idiot to repeat the same lie over and over again and eventually the more gullible folks start to believe it.

If only there was an example of it on here.....
You are, unfortunately, and a t $30BN it was cheaper than Brexit :D
 
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The person in charge of Border protection personnel recruitment was on Channel Four at lunchtime confirming that it takes 6 months just to get to the stage of interviewing applicants and then a year to train them!
Some one asked the question
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/border_force_staff_recruitment?unfold=1#incoming-1259691
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So I asked HM Revenue & Customs, who told me they don't employ Customs Officers. Which was a surprise. They said "HMRC staff do not carry out border controls at ports or airports. This service is provided by Border Force staff through the Home Office"
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Here is the article.


It just takes one idiot to repeat the same lie over and over again and eventually the more gullible folks start to believe it.

If only there was an example of it on here.....
Coming from a leave voter, who believed boris and many other insane populist fantasies, and still do, the irony of this post is so intense it's almost painful.
 
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Or it could be static electricity generated by the bulky space suit moving around the astronaut's internal clothing generating friction. The flag is no doubt of minimal weight, acted on by far less gravity on the moon to hold it down.
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Something definitely causes the flag to deflect when no one is touching it. I suppose if it’s made from a lightweight synthetic material and the suits / inner suits are the same, then I guess it’s feasible that a small static charge could build up and deflect the flag.
 
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So tell me if I have this wrong:

I voted to leave the EU in 2016 because (foolishly or not, that remains to be seen) I was told that leaving the EU would be simple, and I believed it. We were told that we would get a trade deal without any difficulties, we would save £39 Billion and we would all benefit. I think the phrase, we would hardly notice any trading difference with the EU, but huge new markets would open up elsewhere, was used quite frequently. It sounded great.

Today I’m hearing the government is pumping Six Thousand million pounds into limiting the damage that Brexit will cause. Hang on, who voted to embark on a course of action that would require six thousand million pounds, just to put a bandage on the injury? The six thousand million pounds doesn’t heal the wounds inflicted by Brexit, it’s just gives a bit of relief, a bit like a paracetamol. The damage and the injury still remains.

After years of austerity, years of cuts to police, ambulances, doctors, nurses, libraries and just about every public service, we are splashing six thousand million pounds to limit the damage that a government policy, which no one voted for, will cause.

This isn’t project fear, this is happening right now. it’s real. How many people would have voted to leave if the bus had said, “We will need to spend six thousand million pounds of your money to limit the damage caused by a leave vote” instead of the NHS lie?

No one voted for this damage, this course of action or this futile and needless expenditure. Can’t people see where this is heading? What needs to happen before people start to think, this isn’t what I wanted?
 
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So tell me if I have this wrong:

I voted to leave the EU in 2016 because (foolishly or not, that remains to be seen) I was told that leaving the EU would be simple. We were told would get a trade deal without any difficulties, we would save £39 Billion and we would all benefit. I think the phrase, we would hardly notice any trading difference with the EU, but huge new markets would open up elsewhere, was used quite frequently. It sounded great.

Today I’m hearing the government is pumping Six Thousand million pounds into limiting the damage that Brexit does. Hang on, who voted to embark on a course of action that would require six thousand million pounds, just to put a bandage on the injury caused? The six thousand million pounds doesn’t heal the wounds inflicted, it’s just give a bit of relief, a bit like a paracetamol. The damage and the injury still remains.

After year of austerity, years of cuts to police, ambulances, doctors, nurses, libraries and just about every public service, we are splashing six thousand million pounds to limit the damage that a government policy, which no one voted for, will cause.

This isn’t project fear, this is happening, it’s real. How many would have voted to leave if the bus had said, “We will need to spend six thousand million pounds of your money to limit the damage caused by a leave vote” instead of the NHS lie?

No one voted for this damage, this course of action or this futile and needless expenditure. Can’t people see where this is heading? What needs to happen before people start to think, this isn’t what I wanted?

Austerity was a factor in people voting out. That 6 billion is not even close what the Tories took away with their devastating ideologue driven hate propped up by the lib dems.

If you're having second thoughts about Brexit blame the Tories. And don't vote for them. The damage they have caused is real. Nothing to do with Brexit.
 

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Austerity was a factor in people voting out. That 6 billion is not even close what the Tories took away with their devastating ideologue driven hate propped up by the lib dems.

If you're having second thoughts about Brexit blame the Tories. And don't vote for them. The damage they have caused is real. Nothing to do with Brexit.
Most of that post made sense, but Brexit was created by the Tories for their own purposes, not to serve the people.
And if you can't see the damage being done by Brexit, you seriously need help.
Why are you acting as a stooge to the Tories by continuing to support their Brexit, which is revealed by now as having only one positive aspect, the rich tax avoidance schemes become untouchable by the EU
 
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This isn’t project fear, this is happening, it’s real. How many would have voted to leave if the bus had said, “We will need to spend six thousand million pounds of your money to limit the damage caused by a leave vote” instead of the NHS lie?

No one voted for this damage, this course of action or this futile and needless expenditure. Can’t people see where this is heading? What needs to happen before people start to think, this isn’t what I wanted?
in the big scheme of things, this amount is not huge. It's spent mostly in the UK, on people's wages so the government will get some of that back.
If we leave the EU, it's for cosying up to the USA.
The main issue is whether we lower EU food and environmental standards to American standards, change our NHS for American health insurance, charge student tuition fees to American levels etc..
 

oldgroaner

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in the big scheme of things, this amount is not huge. It's spent mostly in the UK, on people's wages so the government will get some of that back.
If we leave the EU, it's for cosying up to the USA.
The main issue is whether we lower EU food and environmental standards to American standards, change our NHS for American health insurance, charge student tuition fees to American levels etc..
What happens to the people when get recruited into jobs that almost immediately cease to exist? and all the systems and infrastructure that are not required?
This is all nonsense, just so the Liar King can strut his stuff and pretend to be macho man to fool the slower witted voters.
I have no wish to lose citizenship of the EU to become a part of a second rate colony of America.
 
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Fingers

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What happens to the people when get recruited into jobs that almost immediately cease to exist? and all the systems and infrastructure that are not required?
This is all nonsense, just so the Liar King can strut his stuff and pretend to be macho man to fool the slower witted voters.
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No one voted for this damage, this course of action or this futile and needless expenditure. Can’t people see where this is heading? What needs to happen before people start to think, this isn’t what I wanted?
I gave up hoping that people would see what a waste of time and money the Brexit project is, in particular the No Deal version of it is. No Deal for many people is now an act of faith is like a religion, there is no logic behind it. Many people don't care how much it will cost, or how many jobs will be lost. This absolutely makes no sense but hopefully if we do leave with no deal, it wont be as bad as some people are predicting.

One thing is for sure though if we leave on No Deal and it does turn out quite bad then this Government will blame everyone else rather than accept any responsibility. The sad fact is that the true believers in Brexit will probably go along with this and blame the EU, or the establishment or remainers or anyone else they can think of.
 

Fingers

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I gave up hoping that people would see what a waste of time and money the Brexit project is, in particular the No Deal version of it is. No Deal for many people is now an act of faith is like a religion, there is no logic behind it. Many people don't care how much it will cost, or how many jobs will be lost. This absolutely makes no sense but hopefully if we do leave with no deal, it wont be as bad as some people are predicting.

One thing is for sure though if we leave on No Deal and it does turn out quite bad then this Government will blame everyone else rather than accept any responsibility. The sad fact is that the true believers in Brexit will probably go along with this and blame the EU, or the establishment or remainers or anyone else they can think of.

I really can't see a pathway to a no deal Brexit.
 

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