Permit me to offer this in jest BrendanGood try Flec, but I'll give it about 10 mins before someone cries, propaganda, lies. Ha!
Don't you mean someone else? (you just did!)
Permit me to offer this in jest BrendanGood try Flec, but I'll give it about 10 mins before someone cries, propaganda, lies. Ha!
I don't think so, it's only the nature of this death that has brought this reaction. Other deaths of incumbents have always resulted in fully contested by-elections. Jo's short term in office will not be lengthened by her replacement since the parliament period is fixed.There is one problem with this, though it is laudable in intent: technically it will establish a precedent that a substitute can replace an elected MP on the death of the incumbent.
I'm not saying it's wrong, just that there are implications attached to such a decision, and believe that the proper reactions would be to delay the by election until an agreed mourning period had elapsed.
Thoughts, anyone?
Not a good try Brendan. If you really mean you think I'm trying to get one over, why not listen the programs and see how impartial they are, before just jumping to conclusions.Good try Flec, but I'll give it about 10 mins before someone cries, propaganda, lies. Ha!
I've already listened to the whole programme set, and my comment re this thread still standsNot a good try Brendan. If you really mean you think I'm trying to one over, why not listen the programs and see how impartial they are, before just jumping to conclusions.
Same goes for anyone else doubting.
Link to the programs
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Just defending against what looks like an insult to a very truthful set of programs in a series that's proved trustworthy over many years.I've already listened to the whole programme set, and my comment re this thread still stands
A bit defensive aren't you
I think you missed the point of that introduction. It was illustrating the entertainment aspect of the contest between the two parties that was commented on.I found the intro to the feature more Radio 1 than Radio 4
I'm not claiming any fountain of whole truth, just drawing attention to a source where claims are dissected, the method of that described and an outcome shown in each subject.The thread, which has typically been like a tennis match, without much in the way of considered fairness to alternative views or opinions
However frankly it's too late for anyone to claim to have found the fountain of truth, it is often perceived as you expect it to be, which if you will forgive me for saying, is what you just did
Propaganda and lies !!I'm not claiming any fountain of whole truth, just drawing attention to a source where claims are dissected, the method of that described and an outcome shown in each subject.
Some of the series outcomes were open enough to draw conclusions either way, a few, like that in program one, were absolute and undeniable.
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Cos where it all comes from is a mystery,
It's like the changin' of the seasons,
And the tides of the sea.
But here's the one that's drivin' me beserk,
Why do only fools and horses work?
Really! The £350 million lie was exposed for what it was,Propaganda and lies !!
There you go again trex, playing the man , "brexiteers", obviously run out of arguments,I am not sure that facts and figures would ever cut it with the Brexiters. Most of them vote to leave because they want to shout at the establishment for refusing to deal with immigration since 75. It's a variation of 1381 peasants' revolt. They'd rather listen to that siren Boris, trusting that he can cut taxes and immigration at the same time for them.
Clue. Watch for the smiliesReally! The £350 million lie was exposed for what it was,
Long before the program I knew as many did that we have never sent £350 millions a week to the EU,
We send £248 millions, simply because the rebate is deducted first before remitting.
I don't understand the Brexit campaign. Why use a lie when the truth is just as effective? £248 millions sent is still a lot of money.
Even that can be defended though, since we get so much back in subsidies, so why not use the true net figure which is still very large?
That cannot be denied or defended, so surely that would be the most effective way to campaign, with the unassailable truth.
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OK, here's me trying to be more aa\dult than i really am (and see teh otehr point of view). I agree with you (that teh facts wpont cut it with brexiters who have a chip on teh shoudler about immigration), and never will. if i can be permitetd to use this thread for a moment as group tehrapy and just express a biased personal opinion i'd say that i have absolutely no sympathy, whatsoever, at all with them, i do sixty to seventy hours a weekin a 37.5 hour job, and mostly enjoy it. my message to any brexiter who feels they have been deprived of a job by an immigrant is to get of their fat ugly arses, and that teh world can be ones oyster if one is not continuously demanding thinsg from otehrs, but prepared to contribute instead.I am not sure that facts and figures would ever cut it with the Brexiters. Most of them vote to leave because they want to shout at the establishment for refusing to deal with immigration since 75. It's a variation of 1381 peasants' revolt. They'd rather listen to that siren Boris, trusting that he can cut taxes and immigration at the same time for them.
Oddly I get more a pastiche of you and Brendan,in a primary school playground that is still such a big part of things, so much for don't play the person huh?BrendanJ, please don't shatter my illusion that oldgroaner is a witty pastiche -- a meticulously observed archetype somewhere between Basil Fawlty and Alan Partridge -- I simply couldn't bear it.
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