Brexit, for once some facts.

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"The buck stops here, but, if no-deal Brexit happens it will be because “Brussels refuses to negotiate any further”.
then he would have failed like any ordinary person would have thought.

Everything which is happening at present in the UK is the UKs doing..
To be fair, the EU wanted us to choose between remain and no deal since the result of the referendum.
 

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When he says things like "I will work flat out" he is patently lying, he hasn't ever done that in his life
you want to know if he is lying? just ask his girlfriend.
 

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Wow. After that cabinet 'reshuffle' - into a total brexit dream-team - I bet the EU wishes it had just given T. May what she asked for in the first place.

Go Boris!
..Are you out of your mind?. The EU quaking in its boots?. Changing the front bench is as significant as the Bath Rugby team changing its back row before taking on NZ in a friendly. The EU commission is scheduled to next meet on 12 October.
 

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..Are you out of your mind?. The EU quaking in its boots?. Changing the front bench is as significant as the Bath Rugby team changing its back row before taking on NZ in a friendly. The EU commission is scheduled to next meet on 12 October.
Quaking with laughter is of course a possibility
They will probably say
"Are you going the threaten to shoot the other foot and bleed all over the carpet?"
 

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I said sterling was up against ALL currencies. Not just the Euro.
The British Pound is said to already be trading at crisis levels, and as a result it will struggle to fall much lower says an analyst at leading global investment bank.

GBP is already "trading at crisis levels, and will struggle to go much lower," says Jordan Rochester, foreign exchange strategist with Nomura in London.
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We would like to say the Pound is rallying exclusively on news Johnson is taking over, but we expect the picture is a great deal more nuanced: markets have known for weeks Johnson was incoming, and we believe they are now awaiting the next decisive moves on Brexit policy for guidance.


https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/eur/11749-pound-to-euro-exchange-rate-at-crisis-levels
 

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then he would have failed like any ordinary person would have thought.



To be fair, the EU wanted us to choose between remain and no deal since the result of the referendum.
No. Woosh, the EU would have preferred a remain result,and failing that as close to alignment as feasible. No Deal is felt by them,and us as a failure. The WA is the only current deal, and was designed meet the Red lines as put down as the negotiating team of the official UK.
 

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remainers thought they can reverse brexit.
they still do.
I believe the bit about remainders wishing or hoping to reverse Brexit is true and is as much a forlorn hope as the new Dream Teams belief that the EU will capitulate. The British used to be pragmatic...
There remains a stubborn belief in the UK that VW trumps EU in German thinking,..it doesn't,and even were it so, there are 26 other countries to supply backbone. Germany will and have seen capitulation (in UK terms ) on Brexit as a economic problem for VW, but an existential problem for the EU.
 
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I believe the bit about remainders wishing or hoping to reverse Brexit is true and is as much a forlorn hope as the new Dream Teams belief that the EU will capitulate. The British used to be pragmatic...
There remains a stubborn belief in the UK that VW trumps EU in German thinking,..it doesn't,and even were it so, there are 26 other countries to supply backbone. Germany will and have seen capitulation (in UK terms ) on Brexit as a economic problem for VW, but an existential problem for the EU.
This is my guess.
Remainers are doing OK with PM BJ because what he wants (remove or timelimit the backstop) the EU can't give. The EU can make some promises to timelimit how long it takes to conclude the FTA with the UK. BJ will try to sell it in September as a time limit on the backstop.
MPs will vote him down, he will retaliate by calling a snap election in November, parliament will be sent home, brexit squeezes through a few days before the GE on WTO.
The EU will promise to disregard brexit if remainers win the GE.
Alternatively, parliament will vote for a second referendum to settle brexit.
winner takes all.
 

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Wow. After that cabinet 'reshuffle' - into a total brexit dream-team - I bet the EU wishes it had just given T. May what she asked for in the first place.

Go Boris!
He's positioning himself as Mr Brexit to try and move support from Nigel Farage's BXP to the Conservative Party, and he's off to a very good start. That can only last for a short period of time because he will be required to actually deliver something almost immediately. He's got no wriggle room at the moment.

In the next few weeks, when popularity peaks, the promises are still fresh and hope is high, he will gamble on a snap General Election to try and capitalise on the synthetic popularity surge. If and when he wins, he will get TM's deal through, thus breaking all the promises, shating on the voters and securing his personal ambition of at least one full term as PM.

Just my thoughts based on his track record.
 

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He's positioning himself as Mr Brexit to try and move support from Nigel Farage's BXP to the Conservative Party, and he's off to a very good start. That can only last for a short period of time because he will be required to actually deliver something almost immediately. He's got no wriggle room at the moment.

In the next few weeks, when popularity peaks, the promises are still fresh and hope is high, he will gamble on a snap General Election to try and capitalise on the synthetic popularity surge. If and when he wins, he will get TM's deal through, thus breaking all the promises, shating on the voters and securing his personal ambition of at least one full term as PM.

Just my thoughts based on his track record.
The best date is around 10-17 September to call for a new election, either by BJ or a vote of no confidence by JC.
24 October is the best date for the snap election.
As you said, BJ will hollow out the BXP so he can win.
JC will have to do an election pact with the LibDems to stop BJ.
 

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He's positioning himself as Mr Brexit to try and move support from Nigel Farage's BXP to the Conservative Party, and he's off to a very good start. That can only last for a short period of time because he will be required to actually deliver something almost immediately. He's got no wriggle room at the moment.

In the next few weeks, when popularity peaks, the promises are still fresh and hope is high, he will gamble on a snap General Election to try and capitalise on the synthetic popularity surge. If and when he wins, he will get TM's deal through, thus breaking all the promises, shating on the voters and securing his personal ambition of at least one full term as PM.

Just my thoughts based on his track record.
More 'if' than 'when' he wins, two months is a long long time for boris to keep some wayward balls in the air and a mr let's destroy the economy hard brexit may not impress as many as dominic Cummings imagines.
 
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Take back control, get rid of EU courts having jurisdiction.

EU and Canada close to agreeing WTO appeal court alternative

I guess, if we ever entered a trade agreement with Canada, we too would end up agreeing to some non-UK court alternative. Whether EU or not.

Ditto for other trade agreements.
 
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Jacob Rees-Mogg found out about his new role in Boris Johnson's government from BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg.

The MP for North East Somerset was made Leader of the House of Commons.
 
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I watched Bojo's first address to the HoC a 15 minutes ago, then the reply from JC.
I honestly think it's time for JC to hand over his job to someone else.
 

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Jacob Rees-Mogg found out about his new role in Boris Johnson's government from BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg.

The MP for North East Somerset was made Leader of the House of Commons.
Tokenism, it's little more than a honorary appointment, often given to previous PMs in their older years.
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I honestly think it's time for JC to hand over his job to someone else.
Remember has has survived to oppose three Tory PMs so far, and that could soon be four. Plus the fiercest of challenges from within his party. And in the last GE he demolished the Tory majority from a position of electoral weakness, ensuring Theresa May's subsequent Brexit failures.

So not quite the loser so many say he is. In politics winning takes many forms.
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I watched Bojo's first address to the HoC a 15 minutes ago, then the reply from JC.
I honestly think it's time for JC to hand over his job to someone else.

Forget his politics and even then he is appalling. Not nimble enough mentally or charismatic to appeal to the broad section of voters over the age of 24.

Utterly hopeless and inept. I've never seen a worse shadow leader. I don't know any of his policies. I know some stuff he is against but for? It's all guesswork. He hates the media, he hates anyone that doesn't fawn over him in fact. He comes across as quite bitter.
 
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Remember has has survived to oppose three Tory PMs so far
The 2017 GE is the only test he's sat and he lost it to lacklustre TM.
I accept he came from behind and did perform well, better than expectation but since then, his approval has been on a downward trend.
In the HoC today, he used words like 'deja vu' and 'rigid' to paint BJ and his policies, I could not avoid thinking that they are more accurate applied to JC and his performance in the HoC.
On the other hand, Jo Swinson did very well on TV.
 

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