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Remember has has survived to oppose three Tory PMs so far, and that could soon be four. Plus the fiercest of challenges from within his party. And in the last GE he demolished the Tory majority from a position of electoral weakness, ensuring Theresa May's subsequent Brexit failures.

So not quite the loser so many say he is. In politics winning takes many forms.
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He's going backwards. It's just embarrassing.

Is he for Brexit or against it?
 
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He's going backwards. It's just embarrassing.

Is he for Brexit or against it?
It's only embarrasing to you and other critics though, it isn't embarrassing him, and he does persist in winning through despite all the criticisms.

I think far too many have allowed themselves to be poisoned against him by the usual persistent Tory false propaganda that he's supposedly a Communist, Marxist, Trotskyite or any other left wing insult they can devise. He's just a Socialist, who in his younger years leaned too far left as young socialists tend to do but modify with age.

I prefer to think for myself rather than let others do it for me. I'd rather Corbyn's honesty than Johnson's swaggering and empty bluff.

As for his views on the EU, he's personally opposed to membership and has always been clear on that, hence him supporting the Leave vote outcome. But he's a politician who has a duty to do what's best for his party, and currently he sees that supporting Remain could win a next GE, given how sick of Brexit the majority of the country are and the prospect of a troublesome departure from the EU.
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It's only embarrasing to you and other critics though, it isn't embarrassing him, and he does persist in winning through despite all the criticisms.

I think far too many have allowed themselves to be poisoned against him by the usual persistent Tory false propaganda that he's supposedly a Communist, Marxist, Trotskyite or any other left wing insult they can devise. He's just a Socialist, who in his younger years leaned too far left as young socialists tend to do but modify with age.

I prefer to think for myself rather than let others do it for me. I'd rather Corbyn's honesty than Johnson's swaggering and empty bluff.

As for his views on the EU, he's personally opposed to membership and has always been clear on that, hence him supporting the Leave vote outcome. But he's a politician who has a duty to do what's best for his party, and currently he sees that supporting Remain could win a next GE, given how sick of Brexit the majority of the country are and the prospect of a troublesome departure from the EU.
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I'm afraid he is useless. Both in a professional sense (he is paid extra to be the official shadow opposition) and personal. How he can allow the nepotism in Labour carry on without a peep disgusts me and what about his son renting out a council house?

I have no respect for him anymore. I actually believe the whispers are true and he is losing his marbles. John McDonnell should be having a quiet word and ask him to step aside.
 

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Forget his politics and even then he is appalling. Not nimble enough mentally or charismatic to appeal to the broad section of voters over the age of 24.

Utterly hopeless and inept. I've never seen a worse shadow leader. I don't know any of his policies. I know some stuff he is against but for? It's all guesswork. He hates the media, he hates anyone that doesn't fawn over him in fact. He comes across as quite bitter.
Corbyn is flawed. But compared to your idols - farage, boris, reese mogg - and their track record of the past few years, he will do just fine.
 

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I accept he came from behind and did perform well, better than expectation but since then, his approval has been on a downward trend.
Exactly the same old story, acknowledge he did well but then twist it into failure by giving second hand negative views.

Sod the approval rating, he's still there surviving all the others and their insults and assaults. Those include the ones from the many now sacked Tory cabinet ministers, so who was the winner in the end?
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Exactly the same old story, acknowledge he did well but then twist it into failure by giving second hand negative views.

Sod the approval rating, he's still there surviving all the others and their insults and assaults. Those include the ones from the many now sacked Tory cabinet ministers, so who was the winner in the end?
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He hasn't won anything. He's lost MPs.

All he actually did was to cash in on Mays historically bad GE campaign and the backlash for the idiot lib dems.

It really wasn't down to his master plan. And it won't happen next time I can assure you of that. Johnson will walk all over him.
 
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I think far too many have allowed themselves to be poisoned against him by the usual persistent Tory false propaganda that he's supposedly a Communist, Marxist, Trotskyite or any other left wing insult they can devise. He's just a Socialist, who in his younger years leaned too far left as young socialists tend to do but modify with age.
it does not bother me in the slightest that he is a Marxist or Trotskyite - he only has to play his role of HM Leader of the Opposition. his speeches in the HoC are wooden and repetitive. It's just got from bad to worse. He does not fight back at the dispatch box, so gives the impression that he loses the argument every time.
 

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John McDonnell should be having a quiet word and ask him to step aside.
BJ called John McDonnell 'a forger' with reference to Ken Livingstone sacking him.
BJ called JC 'a reprogrammed remainer'.
JC did not see fit to answer these two charges. Why did he bother to turn up? He should have sent Thornberry or Starmer or Long Bailey to stand in.
 
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How he can allow the nepotism in Labour carry on without a peep disgusts me and what about his son renting out a council house?
The Tory party is and always has been riddled with nepotism in every area, far more seriously than the Labour party since their nepotism is also at the top as MPs and Ministers:

Winston Churchill
Randolph Churchill (Son)
Duncan Sandys (Son in Law)
Christopher Soames (Son in Law)
Winston Churchill (Grandson)
Nicholas Soames (Grandson)
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The Tory party is and always has been riddled with nepotism in every area, far more seriously than the Labour party since their nepotism is also at the top as MPs and Ministers:

Winston Churchill
Randolph Churchill (Son)
Duncan Sandys (Son in Law)
Christopher Soames (Son in Law)
Winston Churchill (Grandson)
Nicholas Soames (Grandson)
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Well that's ok then.
 
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BJ called John McDonnell 'a forger' with reference to Ken Livingstone sacking him.
BJ called JC 'a reprogrammed remainer'.
JC did not see fit to answer these two charges. Why did he bother to turn up? He should have sent Thornberry or Starmer or Long Bailey to stand in.

Day one and he was absolutely battered by the newbie.

He's been doing this for 3years now and everytime it looks like he forgets where he is. He could have asked if his family was proud of him being PM and did they all know? He could have asked if he was going to use the army to dole out beatings to his friends enemies. Would he be building bridges like the one he didn't make in the Thames I could go on for another hour and still not run out of material for this buffoon.

We just get a timid pensioner wondering where he is and what he should do once he's read his written questions.

Joke.
 

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it does not bother me in the slightest that he is a Marxist or Trotskyite - he only has to play his role of HM Leader of the Opposition. his speeches in the HoC are wooden and repetitive. It's just got from bad to worse. He does not fight back at the dispatch box, so gives the impression that he loses the argument every time.
BJ called John McDonnell 'a forger' with reference to Ken Livingstone sacking him.
BJ called JC 'a reprogrammed remainer'.
JC did not see fit to answer these two charges. Why did he bother to turn up? He should have sent Thornberry or Starmer or Long Bailey to stand in.
I'm sure he sees the utter pointlessness of these exchanges, and PM's Question Time, all of which over 90% of the country never see or care about.

Mud slung always does damage and denial is ineffective for the pre-decided. Better to not fight back to minimise the damage.
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I'm sure he sees the utter pointlessness of these exchanges, and PM's Question Time, all of which over 90% of the country never see or care about.
it only appears pointless when JC represents the opposition.
Ed Miliband did that job OK.
JC should hand over 5 of his quota of 6 questions to his shadow ministers.
I reckon anyone of them would do a better job.
 
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Of course it's not, so why did you pick on Labour's very minor nepotisms at low level yet ignore the Tory's long history of major scale nepotism?

Perhaps it's because, like so many, you've let others make up your mind up for you.
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lol

'minor'

the only one indoctrinated in a political party here is you
 
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I remember a Milliband doing the same.

Kinnock gave his son a constituency. The Eagle sisters The Reeves. Abboots children, Mcdonnells children, Corbyns children. All employed by the H.o.C

I could go on and on. Point is they say they are the party that is against cronyism and nepotism. Until it applies to them....
 

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