Definitely not perfect for country and its future hence why majority thankfully rejected it.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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You come across as a very generous man. The groaner doesn’t seem a nasty sort. He’s just dogmatic and a bit limited.
My point is you have come to terms on a silly forum like this. Anything is possible.
What May did after losing the vote was to make it an apparatus of getting power. Let’s be honest. It wasn’t her that did this but her two advisors who were kicked out pretty quickly. After they left all she had left was their pointless slogans. Brexit means Brexit. Strong and stable. She was out of her depth. But she was also limited and dogmatic. Usually a harmless situation as we can see on here. But as pm it creates stasis. Imagine the groaner in charge here. It would be an echo chamber of one. Not the twenty or so we have.
Anyway. Going against the EU was always go8ng to be tough. They are famed for last minute deals. Her best bet would have been no red lines. But when they offered the last, last, last deal then a chance for them to acquiesce again with the promise of another referendum.
They would have ceded. A new vote would have happened. Remainers would have won and the whole thing kicked down the road again.
She was too limited. The remainers always were. What us brexit people wanted was to show the EU we have some power. How ever small.
It still would have made most Europeans happy in the sense, however misguided that we still wag the dog.
Now because of their madness we will get the opposite of what they want. A hard Brexit.
Edit. I dare say that the EU is very happy for us to leave. They didn’t do a lot to stop us.
I will be happy to leave them.
As I’ve said from day one after seeing the way it was going. Yes we go again but the question is remain or join the Euro, kind of what the Scots had
BJ was going to put JRM in charge of the Ministry of Nostalgia to deal with the inevitable problems ahead
Come on Fingers.. The EU are not happy that the UK are leaving. They crafted an agreement agreeable to the UK Cabinet.. Unfortunately it was not acceptable to any two of the three groups in Parliament, who were stuck in their Goldilocks phase.. too hot, too cold just right...
Everything which is happening at present in the UK is the UKs doing..
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Why should I have to compromise when I know something to be totally wrong?
Talk sense.
Remaining isn't an extreme opinion it is a calm realistic assessment.
How can you try to sell the leave notion as anything other than extreme?
It's a shot in the dark by a bunch of antisocial pirates who made a whole raft of promises that have disappeared, leaving the ultimate extreme threat of do or die!
You took a chance and it is blowing up in your face, and you will blame any and everybody but yourself.
By the way I don't support the Labour party, they lost my support long ago, and I have said so before.
The only sensible thing to do is cancel Brexit
If as you imagined "The groaner was in charge"
That is exactly what the groaner would do
cancel Brexit.
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But it was only the official Prime Minister of the UK and she didn't count.
Come to think of it, why should this new one?
Oh, I'm limited alright, I know evil intent when I see it, and that describes the Leave campaign precisely.
Just puzzled by you being happy to leave the EU under these circumstances, are you sure you know what you are doing?
No. The euro is down because the ECB is gearing up for a round of fresh bond buying. You'll note the pound is still low against the dollar. Are you familiar with occam's razor?
Merely a stage in the process of our entry into the EU superstate, just taking a little longer, that's all.
Wow. After that cabinet 'reshuffle' - into a total brexit dream-team - I bet the EU wishes it had just given T. May what she asked for in the first place.
Go Boris!
Go Boris!
I said sterling was up against ALL currencies. Not just the Euro.
remainers thought they can reverse brexit.
they still do.
What a cabinet eh?
Who could wish for more?
And the Liar King has a new punchline
"The buck stops here, but, if no-deal Brexit happens it will be because “Brussels refuses to negotiate any further”.
Great quote, Typical liar king, contradictory
And among other dazzling choices he made
Priti Patel is home secretary. In charge of the nation's security. REMINDER: Patel was sacked as international development secretary for lying about conducting her own unofficial foreign policy
Rt Hon Dominic Raab has been appointed Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs and First Secretary of State
who only recently discovered that Britain is an island that's reliant on ports for its survival
Sajid Javid as Chancellor formerly a onetime managing director of Deutsche Bank AG
We have to hope he has more luck with the economy that that bank has recently
Brexit the tragi-comedy
Who could wish for more?
And the Liar King has a new punchline
"The buck stops here, but, if no-deal Brexit happens it will be because “Brussels refuses to negotiate any further”.
Great quote, Typical liar king, contradictory
And among other dazzling choices he made
Priti Patel is home secretary. In charge of the nation's security. REMINDER: Patel was sacked as international development secretary for lying about conducting her own unofficial foreign policy
Rt Hon Dominic Raab has been appointed Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs and First Secretary of State
who only recently discovered that Britain is an island that's reliant on ports for its survival
Sajid Javid as Chancellor formerly a onetime managing director of Deutsche Bank AG
We have to hope he has more luck with the economy that that bank has recently
Brexit the tragi-comedy
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Yes please do, anywhere but here.
Seriously, you don't imagine he won't balls this up, do you?
When he says things like "I will work flat out" he is patently lying, he hasn't ever done that in his life
Fintan O'Toole - have a read
Boris Johnson can’t be found out: we all know he’s bluffing
As Boris Johnson walked up to the podium at 10 Downing Street to make his first address as prime minister, they should have played Leonard Cohen’s Everybody Knows as his fanfare: “Everybody knows that the boat is leaking / Everybody knows that the captain lied.” For the one thing that can be said in Johnson’s defence is that he is not a conman. Yes, of course, he speaks fluent falsehood as his native language. But he deceives no one. Everybody knows.
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His fitness for the highest office is not about to be tested – it is the most conspicuous absence in modern British political history.
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Insofar as he has a strategy, Johnson’s plan is all based on the power of a lie, or to use the polite term, a bluff. The bluff is a no-deal Brexit. The basic belief of Johnson and those around him is that the way to get a great deal out of the EU is to pretend that you are quite happy to crash out without one. But bluffing only works if you do not already have a reputation as one of the world’s biggest bluffers. In this poker game, Johnson doesn’t have a tell. He is the tell. To put him into No 10 is to erect a neon sign over Downing Street that says: “Don’t believe a word of it.” The knowingness that Johnson has exploited to such great effect works within a circle of collusion. Outside the circle, knowingness is just plain old knowledge. Everybody knows that Johnson is the lying captain of a very leaky boat. Nobody in Europe is about to climb aboard.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/25/boris-johnson-bluffing-stage-managed
Boris Johnson can’t be found out: we all know he’s bluffing
As Boris Johnson walked up to the podium at 10 Downing Street to make his first address as prime minister, they should have played Leonard Cohen’s Everybody Knows as his fanfare: “Everybody knows that the boat is leaking / Everybody knows that the captain lied.” For the one thing that can be said in Johnson’s defence is that he is not a conman. Yes, of course, he speaks fluent falsehood as his native language. But he deceives no one. Everybody knows.
....
His fitness for the highest office is not about to be tested – it is the most conspicuous absence in modern British political history.
....
Insofar as he has a strategy, Johnson’s plan is all based on the power of a lie, or to use the polite term, a bluff. The bluff is a no-deal Brexit. The basic belief of Johnson and those around him is that the way to get a great deal out of the EU is to pretend that you are quite happy to crash out without one. But bluffing only works if you do not already have a reputation as one of the world’s biggest bluffers. In this poker game, Johnson doesn’t have a tell. He is the tell. To put him into No 10 is to erect a neon sign over Downing Street that says: “Don’t believe a word of it.” The knowingness that Johnson has exploited to such great effect works within a circle of collusion. Outside the circle, knowingness is just plain old knowledge. Everybody knows that Johnson is the lying captain of a very leaky boat. Nobody in Europe is about to climb aboard.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/25/boris-johnson-bluffing-stage-managed
It would seem The liar Kings new Cabinet are not all what they seem, nor reliable from the leave cause point of view either
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/the-news-explained/boris-johnsons-cabinet-brexit-or-remain/
64% of the 22 members of the extended cabinet voted Remain, compared to just 36% who voted for Brexit.
What an untrustworthy shower they are, exactly what he deserves. Watch them jump ship when things get rough
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/the-news-explained/boris-johnsons-cabinet-brexit-or-remain/
64% of the 22 members of the extended cabinet voted Remain, compared to just 36% who voted for Brexit.
What an untrustworthy shower they are, exactly what he deserves. Watch them jump ship when things get rough
I'm sure when he said he was thick he was joking, You do see the irony in this don't you.