Brexit, for once some facts.

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From the Independent
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-arms-sales-invite-saudi-arabia-illegal-dsei-2019-a9012416.html
British government invites Saudi Arabia to world's largest arms fair despite court ruling sales are unlawful

Exclusive: State-owned Saudi arms company to exhibit at DSEI as government appeals court judgment

Shades of the pirates code.
There's a profit to be made, we're gun runners 'aint we?
We are becoming ever worse
What we don’t sell to them, they will buy from France, Spain or Germany. All three already export Arms there and are keen to get a bigger slice of the action.
 

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Time for Cressida Dick to start making arrests and put an end to this nonsense, what happened to the police investigation?
Unfortunately Creased Dick-Head was another one of those LGBTBQPHZGBVAG (or whatever it is called today) promotions, so don’t have any expectations that she can carry out any police work. That wasn’t on the list if eligibility criteria.
 

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We just need less people, that’s all. After a bit of initial pain, the problems will go away eventually. We could make a start by scrapping our state sponsored breading programme.
You're in a crusty mood today. ;)

That may not be necessary, if Brexit really happens the public won't be able to afford to buy cars in about 20 to 30 years time. Especially since the rules will mean electric cars only which are very expensive, more so since they'll all be imported because all our car factories will have moved into the EU.

Not that I care really, I'll be long dead then.
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We just need less people, that’s all. After a bit of initial pain, the problems will go away eventually. We could make a start by scrapping our state sponsored breading programme.
Great post, are you stating a preference for "Breading" as against the current practice of "Battering" either go very well with chips. I'm told. :D :D
 
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You're in a crusty mood today. ;)

That may not be necessary, if Brexit really happens the public won't be able to afford to buy cars in about 20 to 30 years time. Especially since the rules will mean electric cars only which are very expensive, more so since they'll all be imported because all our car factories will have moved into the EU.

Not that I care really, I'll be long dead then.
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Don't offer him Crumbs of comfort when he's in this mood:cool:
 

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You're in a crusty mood today. ;)

That may not be necessary, if Brexit really happens the public won't be able to afford to buy cars in about 20 to 30 years time. Especially since the rules will mean electric cars only which are very expensive, more so since they'll all be imported because all our car factories will have moved into the EU.

Not that I care really, I'll be long dead then.
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#METOO
 
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flecc

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Just a small quibble Germany stopped arms sales to Saudi last October
That was in March this year
But read the get-out clause:

"But in an attempt to assuage French and British partners’ concerns, the government also agreed to extend for nine months export licences that had already been granted, provided the companies undertook not to deliver any finished weapon systems until the end of the year."

So this extension is longer than the new sales ban, they just have to wait until after Christmas to play with their new planes.
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Oh there will be a brexit Scotty, but not as we know it..to paraphrase Startrek.
If BJ is the super-duper salesman he believes himself to be,he might take the WA,as agreed by Mrs May, dicky about with Backstop, make it apply to NI only and then move on as the saviour ..so it could be a brexit with a small b (the big B being the PM)
I agree up to a point. The backstop should be limited to NI and the 'technical' solution is to move SPS border checks to the Irish Sea, separating the ROI from the other EU26.
 
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Answer, apparently not by any normal standard, he's a lobbyist
anyone can call themselves more or less anything they want nowadays, aka 'freelance' journalist.
If he is not on muckrack.com then journalism is not his regular occupation.
He also needs to belong to the BAJ to be accredited with a 'Press' jacket/card etc.
 
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anyone can call themselves more or less anything they want nowadays, aka 'freelance' journalist.
If he is not on muckrack.com then journalism is not his regular occupation.
He also needs to belong to the BAJ to be accredited with a 'Press' jacket/card etc.
What is worrying is that harm has been done to a senior diplomat in our service and damaged our reputation because of what can only be described as a plot, despite the plotter denying the fact and we all know they will get away with it.
So much for the promise of taking back control
 
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I agree up to a point. The backstop should be limited to NI and the 'technical' solution is to move SPS border checks to the Irish Sea, separating the ROI from the other EU26.
But Ireland is already separate from the other 26,...the sea is very effective. But Ireland is not very separate from either NI, or Scotland or Wales.. We can see Scotlands Islands from the RoI..Off the Donegal coast., And you would need to be blind not to see mainland Scotland from NI . The obvious thing to do is to put customs posts at Larne, with expedited service to and from Scotland for trusted NI manufacturers and standard EU surveillance on everyone else. Then NI to RoI commerce can continue unchanged..and this is the critical one as far as we and our NI colleagues are concerned.. and this has always been our one red line. There would need to be agreements that customs officials would have ready access to these trusted manufacturers..but that is no big deal,as Government Vets are in and out of factories all the time
 
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But Ireland is already separate from the other 26,...the sea is very effective. But Ireland is not very separate from either NI, or Scotland or Wales.. We can see Scotlands Islands from the RoI..Off the Donegal coast., And you would need to be blind not to see mainland Scotland from NI . The obvious thing to do is to put customs posts at Larne, with expedited service to and from Scotland for trusted NI manufacturers and standard EU surveillance on everyone else. Then NI to RoI commerce can continue unchanged..and this is the critical one as far as we and our NI colleagues are concerned.. and this has always been our one red line. There would need to be agreements that customs officials would have ready access to these trusted manufacturers..but that is no big deal,as Government Vets are in and out of factories all the time
As someone living in the rest of the UK, I bitterly resent the possibility of a part of the UK being on the other side of a customs barrier of any sort. Equally, some residents of NI might resent it the other way around.

(I accept the pragmatic management of the channel tunnel terminals because that was done for mutual benefit and by proper agreement.)
 
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More info on the Brexit company
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/07/19/weve-been-misled-brexit-party-mp-hopefuls-left-out-in-the-cold/
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Back in May, Nigel Farage’s group announced that it would be seeking applications from rank-and-file Brexiters who want to run for Parliament. The online process took just 10 minutes to complete before applicants were met with a demand for a £100 non-refundable payment.

By June, the party was claiming that 3,000 people had signed up and that 200 wannabe MPs had already been vetted.

Earlier this month, Farage paraded his first 100 candidates at the NEC in Birmingham. But, of the small number identifiable, it was unlikely that any had landed the gig through the online process. All of those present were chums, associates and business acquaintances of people already in the party."

Nigel knows how to make money from mugs it would seem
 
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More info on the Brexit company
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/07/19/weve-been-misled-brexit-party-mp-hopefuls-left-out-in-the-cold/
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Back in May, Nigel Farage’s group announced that it would be seeking applications from rank-and-file Brexiters who want to run for Parliament. The online process took just 10 minutes to complete before applicants were met with a demand for a £100 non-refundable payment.

By June, the party was claiming that 3,000 people had signed up and that 200 wannabe MPs had already been vetted.

Earlier this month, Farage paraded his first 100 candidates at the NEC in Birmingham. But, of the small number identifiable, it was unlikely that any had landed the gig through the online process. All of those present were chums, associates and business acquaintances of people already in the party."

Nigel knows how to make money from mugs it would seem

So innocent. You realise how many sons and daughters are labour employees and MPs whose parent(s) are labour MPS?

I think you would be in shock for weeks if how Nige recruits his candidates shocks and surprises you.
 

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As someone living in the rest of the UK, I bitterly resent the possibility of a part of the UK being on the other side of a customs barrier of any sort. Equally, some residents of NI might resent it the other way around.

(I accept the pragmatic management of the channel tunnel terminals because that was done for mutual benefit and by proper agreement.)
Yes Oyster, that is exactly the conundrum,which the UK has generated. The majority of NI trade is within its locality,and that means the hinterlands of Louth,Cavan, Monaghan Donegal, as well as into neighbouring NI counties Armagh,Antrim Derry. Then the finished goods,have the majority exported via Larne and Dublin to mainland UK. But in the calculation as presented by the DUP, they ignore the internal logistics and choose only to flag up the bottom line.
Reverting back to the original position, if the EU and UK accept a backstop as applying to NI only, then the problem becomes simply one for the UK to solve internally.
1. They can jettison NI and enforce their intended different customs arrangements for the remainder of the UK ..The EU will live with that...It would not be very principled, and I am not advocating it,but it would be pragmatic.
2. They can actively research and develop technological solutions and when one which is suitable emerges agree with the EU , allow the customs divergence to occur. The British press choose to make the erroneous assumption that the EU will never agree..I disagree.
3. They can construct new arrangements with the NI adminstration,which are agreeable to a majority in NI and which are aligned with the aims of the limited backstop... that's called politics
4. They can choose to remain with the UK in close customs alignment with the EU, so that these barriers do not exist
In the absence of one or other of these a disorderly no deal exit will result.
 
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So innocent. You realise how many sons and daughters are labour employees and MPs whose parent(s) are labour MPS?

I think you would be in shock for weeks if how Nige recruits his candidates shocks and surprises you.
I think you may have missed the point which was being made. It is not that like minded people would join a party and work on constituency offices , .. that's a given , but that people were canvassed and assumed that payment of an enrollment fee would ensure potential selection .
Now the Brexit company may or may not be required to submit returns and company financial reports..I am not familiar with British Company law, but it begs the question whether it is or was open competition or a scam.
 

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but it begs the question whether it is or was open competition or a scam.
or he may have a different approach to selecting candidates.
He needs to recoup the staffing cost to vet and select candidates and ultimately, return a profit to his company.
He left UKIP's leader post when there was no prospect of contributions exceeding expenditure.
 
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