Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Tory party seem to be self-selecting themselves out of existence, or at least out of having a majority. OK, might not technically kick in for a while, but BJ relying on this vote might not be a good plan:

Charlie Elphicke: Tory MP charged with sexual assault
 
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oldgroaner

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Please explain to me what have they done wrong?
Accepted huge amounts of non returnable money online from over 3000 people at £100 a time to choose just 550 sorry 450 as 100 already selected.
What's wrong with that?
It's Dishonest!
The Labour party and Conservatives ask potential MPs to cough up sums of £40 and £400 respectively. But, none of them does so on the back of unsystematic online applications from random people. If you want to be a PPC for any of the big three, there is a rigorous selection process to go through before any money changes hands.

And about the £25, why is that anything other than a scam , when the supporter could well find their money is being used for any purpose whatsoever over which they have no say?
Already we have the spectacle of them blaming a scapegoat for the deliberate leak of the Ambassador's communications. Because they fear the law will catch up with them and want to cover their backsides
What stunt will they try next?
 
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oldgroaner

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or he may have a different approach to selecting candidates.
He needs to recoup the staffing cost to vet and select candidates and ultimately, return a profit to his company.
He left UKIP's leader post when there was no prospect of contributions exceeding expenditure.
Euphemism carried to excess describes that statement!
 
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flecc

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..That is a fair point, but when a person buys a lotto ticket, assisting a care home in Dumfries is unlikely their motivation
I think most Lotto ticket buyers would be staggered by where so much of the money ends up.

Like the £2 millions we've just got from them to improve as a regional care home for butterflies five of our local nature reserves.
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Accepted huge amounts of non returnable money online from over 3000 people at £100 a time to choose just 550 sorry 450 as 100 already selected.
What's wrong with that?
It's Dishonest!
The Labour party and Conservatives ask potential MPs to cough up sums of £40 and £400 respectively. But, none of them does so on the back of unsystematic online applications from random people. If you want to be a PPC for any of the big three, there is a rigorous selection process to go through before any money changes hands.

And about the £25, why is that anything other than a scam , when the supporter could well find their money is being used for any purpose whatsoever over which they have no say?
Already we have the spectacle of them blaming a scapegoat for the deliberate leak of the Ambassador's communications. Because they fear the law will catch up with them and want to cover their backsides
What stunt will they try next?

So they have done nothing wrong bar upset you?

You are such a hypocrite. You hate these people yet you now want to champion them?

They chose to donate to a party and cause that you hate yet you want to protect them? You are nuts. Seeing conspiracies where there are none. Ranting about leaks that has nothing to do what we are talking about.

Again and again you do the same thing. You are like Trump. You were ranting about the payment supporters paid to be given the chance to stand then, when called out on it you went into a rant about MEPs then when asked what they had actually done wrong you start going on about leaks!

You have no proof of anything you are saying. Just howling at the moon like a crazy old man in the street who’s soiled himself.
 

oldgroaner

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So they have done nothing wrong bar upset you?

You are such a hypocrite. You hate these people yet you now want to champion them?

They chose to donate to a party and cause that you hate yet you want to protect them? You are nuts. Seeing conspiracies where there are none. Ranting about leaks that has nothing to do what we are talking about.

Again and again you do the same thing. You are like Trump. You were ranting about the payment supporters paid to be given the chance to stand then, when called out on it you went into a rant about MEPs then when asked what they had actually done wrong you start going on about leaks!

You have no proof of anything you are saying. Just howling at the moon like a crazy old man in the street who’s soiled himself.
Fingers you really need to read posts rather than make up your own versions. nothing I have written is untrue, even though it doesn't suit the leave campaign, which by the tone of your denials you at least sympathise with if not work for
If you can't see so obvious a conspiracy as we face from those in the leave campaign you are either a failure as a media man or one of their number
Which is it?

Why are you against my wanting people to be protected from being ripped off by a so called party that isn't?
Something wrong with your understanding of right from wrong?

You asked me what this party has done wrong, I told you and this was your response
"Seeing conspiracies where there are none. Ranting about leaks that has nothing to do what we are talking about.
You didn't want to know about that did you?

And if you can't see a conspiracy at work I suggest you aren't much of a media man.
What is the probability that the following is all just co-incidental?

A member of Farage's group leaks confidential communications pretending to be a journalist, "accidentally" achieving the removal of our ambassador to the USA, a man his boss wants out of the way for a more compliant stooge to replace him.

Incredibly even touting for the job himself with Trumps approval?
That posting Boris might well agree to to be rid of him? :D :D :D

Nothing to see here, move along, eh? all just co-incidence of course.

Hilarious! you really are, and not doing a very good job of promoting the leave campaign
 
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Fingers you really need to read posts rather than make up your own versions. nothing I have written is untrue, even though it doesn't suit the leave campaign, which by the tone of your denials you at least sympathise with if not work for
If you can't see so obvious a conspiracy as we face from those in the leave campaign you are either a failure as a media man or one of their number
Which is it?

Why are you against my wanting people to be protected from being ripped off by a so called party that isn't?
Something wrong with your understanding of right from wrong?

You asked me what this party has done wrong, I told you and this was your response
"Seeing conspiracies where there are none. Ranting about leaks that has nothing to do what we are talking about.
You didn't want to know about that did you?

And if you can't see a conspiracy at work I suggest you aren't much of a media man.

A member of Farage's group leaks confidential communications pretending to be a journalist, co incidentally achieving the removal of our ambassador to the USA, a man his boss wants out of the way for a more compliant stooge to replace him.
Incredibly even touting for the job himself with Trumps approval?
That posting Boris might well agree to to be rid of him? :D :D :D

Hilarious! you really are, and not doing a very good job of promoting the leave campaign

They haven’t done anything wrong.

Your hurt feelings mean nothing in a court of law. You just look a bit silly tbh.

Nothing new there though.
 

oldgroaner

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They haven’t done anything wrong.

Your hurt feelings mean nothing in a court of law. You just look a bit silly tbh.

Nothing new there though.
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They haven’t done anything wrong. eh? just ruined the Ambassador's reputation and career and embarrassed us with our so called greatest Allies?
For what exactly?
To score points with the people who follow them?

And you really believe that's not doing something wrong?

A thing doesn't have to be illegal to be wrong, and as to the leak, time will tell.
Still your approval of ripping people off as being nothing wrong is noted.
 
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Fingers

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They haven’t done anything wrong. eh? just ruined the Ambassador's reputation and career and embarrassed us with our so called greatest Allies?
For what exactly?
To score points with the people who follow them?

And you really believe that's not doing something wrong?

A thing doesn't have to be illegal to be wrong, and as to the leak, time will tell.
Still your approval of ripping people off as being nothing wrong is noted.

Note away you lunatic.
 
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They haven’t done anything wrong. eh? just ruined the Ambassador's reputation and career and embarrassed us with our so called greatest Allies?
For what exactly?
To score points with the people who follow them?

And you really believe that's not doing something wrong?

A thing doesn't have to be illegal to be wrong, and as to the leak, time will tell.
Still your approval of ripping people off as being nothing wrong is noted.
You do realise you're arguing with the kind of knobs that not only voted for brexit but probably also contributed to UKIP? To put it politely, their inability to distinguish right from wrong is the least of their problems.
 

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Jeremy Hunt:

the UK will try to put together a European-led mission to protect ships in the Gulf.

He probably means the EU navy because UK's interest is to keep the Iran nuclear deal, so it won't involve NATO.
I wonder what the ERG and BJ have to say about that.
 

oldgroaner

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You do realise you're arguing with the kind of knobs that not only voted for brexit but probably also contributed to UKIP? To put it politely, their inability to distinguish right from wrong is the least of their problems.
I do it as a public service to expose the hypocrisy that powers this Brexit religion
Anyone supporting Brexit is considered holy, above criticism and they will about hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil about them, no matter what they do.
 

oldgroaner

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Jeremy Hunt:

the UK will try to put together a European-led mission to protect ships in the Gulf.

He probably means the EU navy.
I wonder what the ERG and BJ have to say about that.
Simples! we did this during the war!
(minus the kriegsmarine) (and omitting any reference to us blowing the French Navy out of the water while they were sitting ducks in the harbour at Mers-el- Kebir)
without needing the collaboration of the EU.
All done on goodwill.
 
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Simples! we did this during the war!
(minus the kriegsmarine) (and omitting any reference to us blowing the French Navy out of the water while they were sitting ducks in the harbour at Mers-el- Kebir)
without needing the collaboration of the EU.
All done on goodwill.

Always the argument ends back to world war with the remainers.

Every single time. No matter what the subject.
 
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Fingers

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Jeremy Hunt:

the UK will try to put together a European-led mission to protect ships in the Gulf.

He probably means the EU navy because UK's interest is to keep the Iran nuclear deal, so it won't involve NATO.
I wonder what the ERG and BJ have to say about that.

Iran have played it very well atm.

The one thing they haven’t factored in though is Bolton’s crazy.

And I’m not referring to our friends in the north.
 
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