Huge problem?. How many children have been eaten to death recently in London by foxes?. A few dustbins is hardly a huge problem.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Are you sure that wasn't a Brexit article?.
British cyclist shot dead by hunter in France
Marc Sutton, 34, originally from Caerphilly, shot while mountain-biking in the Alpswww.theguardian.com
French must be eating mountain bikers and occasional sun bather.
Hunting is a massive problem in France. When I lived there we never went in mountain areas Wednesdays or Saturdays,chausser days. Out hunting boar. Yes, they eat the ones they shoot and often leave young to starve or get savaged by sanglier hounds. Its just as cruel as fox hunting, far more widespread. Its a nightmare when they are out.
Typical silliness from you. Yes there are very rare accidents, but that is what they are. They are not hunting mountain bikers or sunbathers.British cyclist shot dead by hunter in France
Marc Sutton, 34, originally from Caerphilly, shot while mountain-biking in the Alps
French must be eating mountain bikers and occasional sun bather.
Hunting is a massive problem in France. When I lived there we never went in mountain areas Wednesdays or Saturdays,chausser days. Out hunting boar. Yes, they eat the ones they shoot and often leave young to starve or get savaged by sanglier hounds. Its just as cruel as fox hunting, far more widespread. Its a nightmare when they are out.
As for the young starving, that is an entirely natural thing. Every time a vixen is run over or shot while hunting food for the young, they starve. Mice and voles produce up to six litters each year and most litters starve to death when owls, kestrels and foxes take the parent. And wild bird chicks starve in the nest when the parents are predated.
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Italian teenager mistaken for wild boar shot and killed
Italy’s environment minister has called for a nationwide ban on Sunday hunting after an 18-year-old was fatally shot because he was mistaken for a wild boar.
I suppose snowflecc will dislike this too.
French love hunting, its a national sport. They do not eat everything they shoot, they eat some of it. Laws prevent distribution of most sanglier shot. Last year alone 115 people injured and a few deaths. Not sure why French were held up in high regard on this issue. They will never give up hunting or the old Lee Enfields many use to shoot the pigs, and occasional mountain biker.
As for silliness, you started it making stupid comments about French eating everything they hunt. I can assure you, having lived there for 10 years, that is utter rubbish.
Accidents are not rare and have been reduced by such as us not utilising areas on hunt days. And it is far from natural for young sanglier to be ripped to bit by hounds in exactly same manner as hounds rip foxes to bits and I, d guess at least 30 times more young sanglier are killed like this than foxes. The problem is all over france obviously more prevalent in rural areas. Its a disgrace. Both activities should be banned. Both are barbaric and only you flecc could defend it. A subject you know nothing about.
And the young only starve to death when parents have been shot for fun.
The chausser go out for FUN not to find food.
And, whilst I, m at it. The chausser have right of passage over nearly all land. You can buy a chunk of land, with no mention of hunting in deeds to find chausser, dogs, guns, 4x4s invading you every Wednesday. Seen it happen.
I believe you are some kind of ranger for a rural area. Wonder what you would think if on Wednesdays and Saturdays place was closed so idiots can raz about in 4x4's,shooting pigs and letting dogs chase young pigs about. The activity is from middle ages. The activity ruins activities for more than it entertains, is insanely cruel and dangerous to public who have equal rights to be there walking, running, biking, quading or whatever.
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You are the one spouting nonsense
As I said, average fox life one to three years, though their life potential is that of dogs. There is no urban fox problem, they trot through my suburban area day and night causing no problem, and no one individual lasts very long.
Traffic is a major killer of them, and when the population rises too far, sarcoptic mange takes over as the major cause of death. Just look at the sorry state of this sickly one, it's coat ravaged by mange:
Having also lived in France, with French family there and knowing everything you know about France on this subject, I know you are exaggerating simply to pick another row with me.
The subject in case you'd missed it is fox hunting in Britain. I only brought the French practice in to say they hunt to eat, not setting out to hunt what they can't eat as our fox hunters did.
Your usual distortion, I said no such thing. I said they only hunt what they can eat. I didn't say they ate everything that died as a result.
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They are becoming more and more of a danger. But it’s pointless arguing with you.
You know everything and even when you’re wrong you’re right.
flecc is correct, lamping / shooting is an effective way to cull the population of foxes and rabbits. I don’t like it, but it’s better than hunting. Shooting can leave fox cubs without parents meaning they will be likely to starve. The best method of population control in urban areas is for us not to leave sources of food lying around, their numbers will then stabilise according to the food available.
Hunting with dogs is highly inefficient as a means of control. It’s the equivalent of removing pest insects from crop with a pair of tweezers.
Hunting with dogs is nothing more than entertainment for people who derive a sensation of empowerment and arousal from the protracted & cruel death of a defenceless animal. An animal which poses absolutely not threat or risk of harm to them.
It’s not about children being “eaten to death” but attacks on children are increasing as they are in pets too.
Tell me Dan, what is your experience of foxes in London?
I wasn’t talking about rural foxes.
Food will always be left around for urban foxes. It is becoming quite a problem in north London
I have a friend who lives near Pau, and someone was killed there recently by a stray bullet, whilst hunting.
That happens here too. I remember a bloke being shot dead by his hunting partner in woods near to me. Going back a bit further, another hunter shot himself in the head whilst climbing over a stile in the same woodlands. That’s two wasted in the same woods in 25 years!
Your solution actually won't work, will it?
We started off in the 1950's doing as you described and it was quickly abandoned by all and sundry as factory and fast food became available and was advertised as part of a modern lifestyle
Sugar consumption has dived since Tax increases, they work, if your idea did , and the additional work was popular, the obesity situation would not have arisen in the first place would it?
What you are really saying is despite the obvious benefit to a section of the public, you personally don't want to pay, do you?
That's the Tory view of course,"anything goes as long as it doesn't cost me"
It’s BS. The Tory scum are trying to vilify foxes with the help of their newspaper buddies. They think it will oil the gears to the lifting of the ban.
Then they can start chasing the foxes again and get a hard-on in the process.
Only because people are dirty and don’t put their waste food in a container. If it was in a bin with a proper lid, the fox could not get at it.
To neurotic people perhaps, but what real danger? For us as for foxes, traffic is a far, far greater danger. The vast majority of us don't feel in any way threatened by foxes. I know of no-one expressing fear here in this large London border estate, despite occasional foxes trotting through day and night.
Honestly, this country really is becoming a nation of wimps, frightened of every damn thing.
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If you, d lived in France you would know full well the message put out about wild boar hunting is nothing like reality. Its barbaric. Its men out having a wild time, setting dogs on other animals, shooting pigs and having a jolly in 4x4s.(which they need to bring back the dead 300kg pig or 85kg mountain biker they have shot)
I suppose the French habit of force feeding geese to point of bursting or Spanish obsession with torturing bulls is ok with you because its in your beloved EU. They are all cruel flecc. They should all be banned and I, m shocked at you defending such a barbaric activity, one you would not tolerate or support were it on land near you.(or one you had witnessed first hand)
Its a ridiculous stand to say Fox hunting is cruel but doing exact same to Boars is ok, because you can eat Sanglier. (if you dare, the pig might have been diseased, worm ridden or whatever). Half of folk on Sanglier shoot dont go to share out, they dont want the meat. If you want cheap meat in France, go to Lidl.
I suppose the French habit of force feeding geese to point of bursting or Spanish obsession with torturing bulls is ok with you because its in your beloved EU. They are all cruel flecc. They should all be banned and I, m shocked at you defending such a barbaric activity, one you would not tolerate or support were it on land near you.(or one you had witnessed first hand)
Its a ridiculous stand to say Fox hunting is cruel but doing exact same to Boars is ok, because you can eat Sanglier. (if you dare, the pig might have been diseased, worm ridden or whatever). Half of folk on Sanglier shoot dont go to share out, they dont want the meat. If you want cheap meat in France, go to Lidl.
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The fox I saw last night was a thing of beauty. A magnificent deep red, healthy looking thing. I didn’t get to within 30 metres of it before it disappeared.