Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

They have more money than the conservatives.

They have a leader more popular than all three of the main parties put together.

They are leading the polls in ge voting intention.

Anything else you need adding up just let me know.

They have more money?
Any proof you can point at?
And how much of it is traceable and legal?

They have a leader more popular?
His popularity wasn't enough to stop his Brexit march being a disaster was it?
And he won't get the chance will he?

Leading the polls ?
"
General election voting intention polls

Pollster	Con	Lab	LD	Ukip	Green	CUK	BXP	Con/Lab	Fieldwork
YouGov	22% (+2)	20% (nc)	19% (-2)	1% (nc)	10% (+1)	0% (nc)	22% (-1)	+	24-25/6
Ipsos-MORI	26% (+1)	24% (-3)	22% (+7)	1% (-2)	8% (+1)	0% (-2)	12% (-4)	2%	21-25/5
Survation	24% (-4)	26% (-7)	18% (+5)	1% (-2)	6% (+3)	1% (-1)	20% (+8)	-2%	19-20/6
Opinium	20% (+3)	26% (+4)	16% (nc)	2% (+1)	6% (-5)	1% (nc)	23% (-3)	+	19-20/6
ComRes	23% (+3)	27% (nc)	17% (+4)	1% (-3)	5% (+1)	1% (-5)	22% (+2)	-4%	7-9/6
BMG	26% (-1)	27% (-3)	17% (-1)	1% (-2)	6% (nc)	1% (-2)	18% (+8)	-1%	4-7/6
Delta Poll	20% (-12)	26% (-9)	16% (+9)	1% (-5)	5% (+3)	4% (-5)	24% (+18)	+	29-30/5

Really? not looking too good are they?

And remember they can't actually give you Brexit can they? and when someone else does, they are doomed to oblivion

And if by some miracle Brexit is cancelled that proves there is a big enough remainer vote to blow Farage out of the water.
All Corbyn has to do is pick his moment to come down in favour of a Peoples vote and Mr Toad is dead meat as far as power goes
This is the view from youGov
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/28/what-would-it-take-labour-win-general-election-new

Rather a different view to yours, don't you think?

 

[50Hertz]

Which part wasn't clear?

If we leave the EU the Brexit party instantly has no MEP's and no reason to exist, and who is going to back them with the big money they need to exist for any other reason?

If we discard Brexit the BXP has no hope of Brexit buoying it up in this country, it is back to square one, a voice in the wilderness
All it can show for it's effort is failure, and since it achieved nothing last time with only four less seats, with such a fundamental defeat behind it it will not impress either enemies or would be supporters.
Already Farage has been displaced as leader or the Eurosceptic group in the Euro parliament and with the defeat of Brexit, they are not going to replace their new front man with a proven loser are they?


Do you see this differently?

If Brexit is abandoned, I think support for the BXP will increase in this country. Even more voters feeling let down will move from Labour and Conservative to BXP. Just my thoughts.

 

[oldgroaner]

If Brexit is abandoned, I think support for the BXP will increase in this country. Even more voters feeling let down will move from Labour and Conservative to BXP. Just my thoughts.

Quite possibly , that could well be true in the short term but what difference does it make really? the impetus will have gone, and the public are already sick and tired of Brexit.
And the Government too most likely!

Support for the failed cause will dwindle, and you can be sure Farage will want to retire to America to enjoy his ill gotten gains.
Then when the cult of personality fades, itsall just boring history,
And the next Royal Sprogs will fill the front pages.

At this point I have to say Brexit looks inevitable
but "looks" can be deceiving, can't they?

From the Brexit voters point of view calamity for the cause could come if Corbyn comes down on the side of a people's vote and pulls off a vote of no confidence
Can't see it happening however.

 

[Fingers]

If Brexit is abandoned, I think support for the BXP will increase in this country. Even more voters feeling let down will move from Labour and Conservative to BXP. Just my thoughts.

I personally wouldn't vote for them but millions would If there is a November election. It would be a reactionary vote.

It will scupper the Tories even if they only delivered 4 or 5 MPs.

Very funny.

 

[Fingers]

They have more money?
Any proof you can point at?
And how much of it is traceable and legal?

They have a leader more popular?
His popularity wasn't enough to stop his Brexit march being a disaster was it?
And he won't get the chance will he?

Leading the polls ?
"
General election voting intention polls

Pollster	Con	Lab	LD	Ukip	Green	CUK	BXP	Con/Lab	Fieldwork
YouGov	22% (+2)	20% (nc)	19% (-2)	1% (nc)	10% (+1)	0% (nc)	22% (-1)	+	24-25/6
Ipsos-MORI	26% (+1)	24% (-3)	22% (+7)	1% (-2)	8% (+1)	0% (-2)	12% (-4)	2%	21-25/5
Survation	24% (-4)	26% (-7)	18% (+5)	1% (-2)	6% (+3)	1% (-1)	20% (+8)	-2%	19-20/6
Opinium	20% (+3)	26% (+4)	16% (nc)	2% (+1)	6% (-5)	1% (nc)	23% (-3)	+	19-20/6
ComRes	23% (+3)	27% (nc)	17% (+4)	1% (-3)	5% (+1)	1% (-5)	22% (+2)	-4%	7-9/6
BMG	26% (-1)	27% (-3)	17% (-1)	1% (-2)	6% (nc)	1% (-2)	18% (+8)	-1%	4-7/6
Delta Poll	20% (-12)	26% (-9)	16% (+9)	1% (-5)	5% (+3)	4% (-5)	24% (+18)	+	29-30/5

Really? not looking too good are they?

And remember they can't actually give you Brexit can they? and when someone else does, they are doomed to oblivion

And if by some miracle Brexit is cancelled that proves there is a big enough remainer vote to blow Farage out of the water.
All Corbyn has to do is pick his moment to come down in favour of a Peoples vote and Mr Toad is dead meat as far as power goes
This is the view from youGov
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/28/what-would-it-take-labour-win-general-election-new

Rather a different view to yours, don't you think?

Hardly.

I know maths isn't your best subject but to be ahead or level in 4 out 8 polls is not losing is it?

Think before you post.

 

[oldgroaner]

Hardly.

I know maths isn't your best subject but to be ahead or level in 4 out 8 polls is not losing is it?

Think before you post.

I see you missed the fact that
Labour are ahead in FIVE,
one win for the Conservatives
and the BXP drew in one with the conservatives

And there are only 7 polls in the list not eight!

Take your own advice!

 

[oldgroaner]

I personally wouldn't vote for them but millions would If there is a November election. It would be a reactionary vote.

It will scupper the Tories even if they only delivered 4 or 5 MPs.

Very funny.

And in walks Corbyn with a lib dem coalition perhaps? that would bring a peoples vote.

 

[Danidl]

And I am not suggesting that the Member for Clacton does any other than agree to work diligently in the pusuit of the interests of ALL of the people they represent, which means unlike Farage they actually WORK, and in that process not act as SABOTEURS to any organisation that this country has signed treaties with, but engage fully in striving to improve it.
The local Government is allegedly Sovereign and setting preconditions of due diligence and non destructive heaviour on MEP's should hardly cramp anyone's style.

And what logic gives you an independent organisation determining policy towards the EU if it contradicts treaties made by the official government?

We would be better off not having a local government at all and giving all power to the EU

I am supposing that the treaties setting up the EU Parliament did also assign them a certain level of autonomy..Else it would have no status. I am supposing that the decision of the Spanish central authorities , is a reaction to the Catalan crisis of a few years ago,and is more recent than the Lisbon treaty,which extended the powers of the EU Parliament. I am expecting that the ECJ will be needed to adjudicate on this and soon.
Think this one through please... And not through eyes blinded by Brexit louts.
Would the Spanish Government or the UK Government expect oaths of alligence from their football team playing in the European cup?. . That 90% of the Spanish MEPs s had no difficulty is no excuse.

 

[oldgroaner]

I am supposing that the treaties setting up the EU Parliament did also assign them a certain level of autonomy..Else it would have no status. I am supposing that the decision of the Spanish central authorities , is a reaction to the Catalan crisis of a few years ago,and is more recent than the Lisbon treaty,which extended the powers of the EU Parliament. I am expecting that the ECJ will be needed to adjudicate on this and soon.
Think this one through please... And not through eyes blinded by Brexit louts.
Would the Spanish Government or the UK Government expect oaths of alligence from their football team playing in the European cup?. . That 90% of the Spanish MEPs s had no difficulty is no excuse.

Not really a proper comparison is it? football teams do not affect decisions regarding what is effectively the foreign policy of the country and in fact despite being elected by the Public MEP's are still subjects (in our case) of the crown and not under british law empowered to change laws and policies set by the Government duly elected by a General election or collude to sabotage them.
We do not have two governments, just one, and a junior body of MEP's elected by the public, is part of the political structure, not additional and independent of it.
That way lies Chaos.
Their function is to represent us in the European Parliament, they are not legally empowered to operate for instance as an enemy of the state In direct conflict with the Government.
It is madness for the Government to have a situation where it was elected let's say with a pro EU policy and then for it to permit 29 people to make no commitment to stand to represent the country and work in it's interest as expressed by the public vote for the Government and indeed parliament of the day and stand by as they sabotage co-operation with that organisation when we have signed up to membership and agreed to participate
It is the British equivalent of one country two systems .
The Public have a right to expect that when they elect a government it will control the situation and "take back control" of this junior group of representatives.
Otherwise the tail is wagging the dog and in our case causing immense damage and division.
Time as they say to "Take back control" and assert the supremacy of Parliamentary democracy.


We are reaping the benefits of this madness with the damage Farage has done
To the huge delight of that nice Mr Putin.
You mentioned a football team, let's extend that to soldiers.
Would we let them loose with the option to pick a fight with anyone they chose, for any reason that took their fancy, or whoever offered the biggest bribe?

 

[Woosh]

EU's top jobs go to German (Ursula von der Leyen) and French (Christine Lagarde).
von der Leyen is everything BJ is not.

Women to head top EU institutions for first time

Ursula von der Leyen to head European commission and Christine Lagarde to lead ECB

www.theguardian.com

 

[Fingers]

EU's top jobs go to German (Ursula von der Leyen) and French (Christine Lagarde).
von der Leyen is everything BJ is not.

Women to head top EU institutions for first time

Ursula von der Leyen to head European commission and Christine Lagarde to lead ECB

www.theguardian.com

Why didn’t we get a chance to...


Oh yeah. Brexit innit.

Although it is funny that in nearly fifty years we never got a sniff of the top job. Always a Francophile or German. Best we ever got was mushy peas Mandelson.

 

[Woosh]

Why didn’t we get a chance to...


Oh yeah. Brexit innit.

Although it is funny that in nearly fifty years we never got a sniff of the top job. Always a Francophile or German. Best we ever got was mushy peas Mandelson.

top jobs go to those who believe in the US of E.

 

[Danidl]

Not really a proper comparison is it? football teams do not affect decisions regarding what is effectively the foreign policy of the country and in fact despite being elected by the Public MEP's are still subjects (in our case) of the crown and not under british law empowered to change laws and policies set by the Government duly elected by a General election or collude to sabotage them.
We do not have two governments, just one, and a junior body of MEP's elected by the public, is part of the political structure, not additional and independent of it.
That way lies Chaos.
Their function is to represent us in the European Parliament, they are not legally empowered to operate for instance as an enemy of the state In direct conflict with the Government.
It is madness for the Government to have a situation where it was elected let's say with a pro EU policy and then for it to permit 29 people to make no commitment to stand to represent the country and work in it's interest as expressed by the public vote for the Government and indeed parliament of the day and stand by as they sabotage co-operation with that organisation when we have signed up to membership and agreed to participate
It is the British equivalent of one country two systems .
The Public have a right to expect that when they elect a government it will control the situation and "take back control" of this junior group of representatives.
Otherwise the tail is wagging the dog and in our case causing immense damage and division.
Time as they say to "Take back control" and assert the supremacy of Parliamentary democracy.


We are reaping the benefits of this madness with the damage Farage has done
To the huge delight of that nice Mr Putin.
You mentioned a football team, let's extend that to soldiers.
Would we let them loose with the option to pick a fight with anyone they chose, for any reason that took their fancy, or whoever offered the biggest bribe?

Sorry OG... It seems you do not get it. The EU is about citizenship of Europe. There is a huge difference between a servant of the state .. Civil Servants, Ambassadors, Soldier s ,Ministers ,who will be expected to defend the interests of the State and take an oath to defend it ..even lie or die for it and ordinary citizens. In the context of the EU, the MEP is either a citizen or a representative of their community..they are not a representative of their Government.
Now I have explained this three times, and I cannot make it clearer. It is my policy not to go over the same ground more than three times..

 

[Danidl]

Why didn’t we get a chance to...


Oh yeah. Brexit innit.

Although it is funny that in nearly fifty years we never got a sniff of the top job. Always a Francophile or German. Best we ever got was mushy peas Mandelson.

If you send Muppets ,they get Muppet positions.. How many of your Commissioners or high appointments were senior recently serving Ministers, Chancellors, PrimeMinisters?.

 

[Fingers]

Sorry OG... It seems you do not get it. The EU is about citizenship of Europe. There is a huge difference between a servant of the state .. Civil Servants, Ambassadors, Soldier s ,Ministers ,who will be expected to defend the interests of the State and take an oath to defend it ..even lie or die for it and ordinary citizens. In the context of the EU, the MEP is either a citizen or a representative of their community..they are not a representative of their Government.
Now I have explained this three times, and I cannot make it clearer. It is my policy not to go over the same ground more than three times..

Good luck arguing with Gerald.

He will never back down. And there is no use using numbers against him.

He hasn’t got a ******* clue what you’re talking about.

 

[flecc]

Although it is funny that in nearly fifty years we never got a sniff of the top job. Always a Francophile or German..

Of course, how could we have a top job in an institution we've always been trying to undermine by being the awkward squad?
.

 

[Danidl]

Oh and Zathlan.. the EU must be reading these postings .. Remember your complaints about unfair senior representation if women in the EU ?

 

[Fingers]

If you send Muppets ,they get Muppet positions.. How many of your Commissioners or high appointments were senior recently serving Ministers, Chancellors, PrimeMinisters?.

I refer you to the post I gave some moments ago.

 

[flecc]

In the context of the EU, the MEP is either a citizen or a representative of their community..they are not a representative of their Government.

That is the theory, but it rather falls down due to the extent of the area and population each MEP represents. They are hardly communities, often containing over a million people in widely differing communities. The diversity within many MEPs territories means they are effectively representing a cross section of the UK population, and therefore the UK.
.

 

[Fingers]

That is the theory, but it rather falls down due to the extent of the area and population each MEP represents. They are hardly communities, often containing over a million people in widely differing communities. The diversity within many MEPs territories means they are effectively representing a cross section of the UK population, and therefore the UK.
.

Well that is ironic. You really are a funny creature snowflecc.

When @Zlatan argued the case that the EU wasn’t representative because of a lack of diversity you argued till you were blue in the face that he was wrong.

Now because it suits this argument you are saying the complete opposite!

Wow.

Your super power has let you down here hasn’t it.

Just wow. The bare faced cheek of it!